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Win Some Lose Some (IRE)

7yo gelding · Trainer Padraig Roche · Owner John P Mcmanus
by Champs Elysees (GB) out of All For Luck (IRE) (High Chaparral)
16 runs · 12 courses · from Mar 2023
As at 25 Oct 2026 · KTB archive: GB, Ireland & France · 2005–present, updated daily
4 wins · 4 courses Last run 1 Feb 2026 · 2nd of 23 Last raced off OR 131
KTB Profile

Win Some Lose Some is a gelding who has won four of 16 starts on turf, all in handicap hurdles. He gained his biggest success in the Pertemps Network Handicap Hurdle at Leopardstown over 2m5f – 3m on soft ground off an official rating of 125 in Dec 2024, having earlier won three times over 2m1f – 2m4f on good to soft. He finished second of 23 in the O'Driscolls Irish Whiskey Leopardstown Handicap Chase off 131 in Feb 2026. He usually races mid division.

Based on 16 archived runs · run-style from 11 commented runs since Sep 2024 · updated 25 Oct 2026
KTB at a glance Typically mid-division
Official rating131↓ 7lb off peak
131 105–138

KTB Speed and Rating

KTB Speed

Best recent Speed 134 the best of the last 3 graded (A or B) runs · Punchestown, 1 May 2025

How fast the horse ran, as points against the day-corrected standard time for its course and distance: 100 is the median GB Class 4 handicap winner on that code; one point is 0.1% of the standard time. A, B or C is how much the day's card could tell us, not how good the run was. What this means →

Jumps 15 figures · best 155A · median 70
GoingRunsBestMedianSince 25 Oct 2025
Soft6134B79.52 runs · 129 / 88.5
Good to Soft6155A99.5—
Heavy339C352 runs · 39 / 37
DistanceRunsBestMedianSince 25 Oct 2025
2m1f – 2m4f8155A64.52 runs · 39 / 37
2m5f – 3m4134B124.51 run · —
1m5f – 2m348C391 run · —

Of 16 runs looked at, 1 has no figure: obstacles omitted — the race ran a shortened course (1).

KTB Speed v1 · batch 15 Sep 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 15 figures from 16 runs · as at 3 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast

KTB Rating

Best recent KTB Rating 140A the best of the last 3 rated runs · Leopardstown, 1 Feb 2026 Official rating 131 at the last run, 1 Feb 2026

What the horse achieved in each race, in pounds on the official-rating scale, from the weight carried, the lengths beaten and the race's own level solved across the archive — never the market, never the official rating as a starting point. The headline is the best of the horse's last three rated runs on that code. A, B or C on a run is how much known form was in that race. What this means →

Jumps 16 figures · best 143A · median 124
GoingRunsBestMedianSince 25 Oct 2025
Soft7143A1303 runs · 140 / 130
Good to Soft6135A125—
Heavy3124C1212 runs · 124 / 122.5
DistanceRunsBestMedianSince 25 Oct 2025
2m1f – 2m4f8135A122.52 runs · 124 / 122.5
2m5f – 3m5143A1312 runs · 140 / 135
1m5f – 2m3113A1061 run · —

KTB Rating v1 · batch 3 Oct 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 16 figures from 16 runs · as at 4 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast

Both figures are KTB's own, computed from the archive; no vendor rating enters either. Every run's figure is on its form line below with its grade. Grades measure how much the archive could see, never the merit of the run.

Run style from 11 analysed runs since Sep 2024

  • Mid-division 8 (73%) · 2 wins
  • Held up 2 (18%) · 0 wins
  • Prominent 1 (9%) · 0 wins

Pedigree intelligence

Sire
Champs Elysees (GB)

Progeny in our archive have won 11.5% of 7,122 runs since Jan 2008 (521 horses).

Weakest on heavy going: 7.9% from 391. Weakest over 6f – 7f (all codes): 7.5% from 387.

GoingRunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
Firm531324.5%+13—
Good to Firm83812014.3%+2.8—
Good1,84219510.6%−0.9—
Good to Soft1,08411710.8%−0.73 from 6
Soft1,15211610.1%−1.41 from 7
Heavy391317.9%−3.60 from 3
Standard (AW)1,76222412.7%+1.2—
Distance (all codes)RunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
Under 6f1119.1%−2.4—
6f – 7f387297.5%−4—
1m – 1m1f8829210.4%−1.1—
1m2f – 1m4f1,99626213.1%+1.6—
1m5f – 2m2,03723811.7%+0.20 from 3
2m1f – 2m4f1,06812111.3%−0.23 from 8
2m5f – 3m600589.7%−1.81 from 5
Over 3m1411510.6%−0.9—

Flat and jumps together (all codes) · since Jan 2008 · as at 24 Oct 2026 · rows under 30 runs muted · win % is the measure, a record not a forecast

Dam
All For Luck (IRE) (High Chaparral)

2 siblings in the archive, 0 winners.

ProduceRunsWinsWin tripsBest grade
Asluckwouldhaveit (IRE)50——
Back In Favour (IRE)40——

Record by conditions

GoingRunsWinsSR£1
Soft 7 1 14% −2.50
Good to Soft 6 3 50% +5.21
Heavy 3 0 0% −3.00

ClassRunsWinsSR£1
Class 1 1 0 0% −1.00

CourseRunsWinsSR£1
Naas 3 0 0% −3.00
Leopardstown 2 1 50% +2.50
Navan 2 0 0% −2.00
Galway 1 0 0% −1.00
Punchestown 1 0 0% −1.00
Cheltenham 1 0 0% −1.00
Clonmel 1 1 100% +3.33
Listowel 1 0 0% −1.00
Wexford 1 1 100% +1.88
Sligo 1 0 0% −1.00
Kilbeggan 1 1 100% +3.00
Gowran Park 1 0 0% −1.00

DistanceRunsWinsSR£1
2m1f – 2m4f 8 3 38% +3.21
2m5f – 3m 5 1 20% −0.50
1m5f – 2m 3 0 0% −3.00

JockeyRunsWinsSR£1
Mark Walsh 7 3 43% +5.83
Aidan Kelly 5 0 0% −5.00
Simon Torrens 1 0 0% −1.00
Miss A B O'Connor 1 1 100% +1.88
Jody McGarvey 1 0 0% −1.00
Darragh O'Keeffe 1 0 0% −1.00

SeasonRunsWinsSR£1
2026 2 0 0% −2.00
2025 5 0 0% −5.00
2024 7 4 57% +8.71
2023 2 0 0% −2.00

TypeRunsWinsSR£1
Hurdle 11 4 36% +4.71
Chase 5 0 0% −5.00

Splits include every sample, however small — muted rows are under 3 runs. A one-from-one record is a fact, not a trend: read the Runs column before the strike rate.

Form

DateCourseRace PosBtn Wgt ORSpdKTB Jockey SP
2026 · 2 runs
01 Feb 26+23d Leopardstown O'Driscolls Irish Whiskey Leopardstown Handicap Chase (Grade 3) 21.5f · Soft · 23 ran Settled towards the back - stumbled at the 1st - still down in 13th three out - made progress before the following fence - urged into 5th turning for home - asked for more effort in 5th at the last - finished strongly to snatch second 2/23 1 10-2 131—140A Aidan Kelly 33/1
09 Jan 26+34d Naas Race And Stay Handicap Chase 16f · Soft · 9 ran Up with the front group - minor error 4th - another jumping lapse 5th and fell back to the tail of the field - laboured at the 3rd last - no response to pressure entering the straight - hampered at the last and well beaten in 6th 6/9 ½ 11-11 13248C113A Aidan Kelly 12/1
2025 · 5 runs
06 Dec 25+20d Navan Watch Danny's Diary At ToteRacing Beginners Chase 20.5f · Soft To Heavy · 16 ran Drifted left over the opening fence - settled in the pack - unable to land a blow from halfway - well held in 7th 7/16 13 11-12 13435C121C Simon Torrens 50/1
16 Nov 25+21d Navan Race And Stay Irish EBF Beginners Chase 20.5f · Heavy · 12 ran Settled around midfield early - drifting left over obstacles then slipping to the back 5 out - lost touch with the race from there 8/12 17 11-12 —39C124C Mark Walsh 25/1
26 Oct 25+178d Galway Irish Stallion Farms EBF Beginners Chase 22.5f · Yielding · 11 ran Settled midfield early - pushed along and 6th after three out - still battling in 5th at the last - found extra to finish 3rd but couldn't reach the front pair 3/11 5 11-9 —129A130A Aidan Kelly 10/1
01 May 25+49d Punchestown Conway Piling Handicap Hurdle (Listed) 23.5f · Yielding · 23 ran Held up at the back - 16th and driven on turning for home - up to 11th by the last then stayed on late but never in contention 8/23 ¾ 11-0 135134B131A Aidan Kelly 20/1
13 Mar 25+75d Cheltenham Pertemps Network Final Handicap Hurdle (Premier Handicap) (GBB Race) Class 1 · 24f · Good To Soft · 24 ran Settled in the pack early - made progress into contention two out - pressed for effort but faded before the final fence - well beaten in 14th 14/24 2¼ 11-9 138120B124A Mark Walsh 8/1
2024 · 7 runs
28 Dec 24+48d Leopardstown Pertemps Network Handicap Hurdle (Qualifier) 23.5f · Yielding · 20 ran Settled midfield early - improved into 3rd approaching final furlongs and up to 4th two out - edged ahead near the line - challenged again close home - responded strongly to hold on 1/20 10-8 125107B143A Mark Walsh 7/2F
10 Nov 24+17d Naas Brown Lad Handicap Hurdle (Listed) 20f · Good To Yielding · 11 ran Held up in the pack early - stumbled at the 4th - up into 8th soon after - slipped back to 10th before 4 out - found feet from 2 out - stayed on well to take 4th late 4/11 1¼ 10-7 124155A126A Mark Walsh 4/1
24 Oct 24+28d Clonmel Rathgormack Handicap Hurdle 19.5f · Good To Yielding · 11 ran Settled in the pack early - 5th at halfway - moved into 4th three out - urged forward and up to 3rd approaching the final fence - eased out wide and finished strongly to get up on the line 1/11 11-6 11670A135A Mark Walsh 10/3F
26 Sep 24+63d Listowel Behans Horseshoe Bar, Restaurant & Townhouse Handicap Hurdle (80-123) 20f · Soft · 14 ran Settled around midfield early - still 10th at halfway - unable to close from 3 out - eventually well held in 10th 10/14 shd 11-8 11652B115A Mark Walsh 17/2
25 Jul 24+18d Wexford Neville Hotels Ladies Handicap Hurdle 20.5f · Good To Yielding · 14 ran 1/14 12-0 106103B135A Miss A B O'Connor 15/8F
07 Jul 24+51d Sligo Friends Of Brian Mulligan Opportunity Handicap Hurdle (80-116) 17.5f · Good To Yielding · 7 ran 3/7 7 11-1 10596A117A Aidan Kelly 6/1
17 May 24+188d Kilbeggan William Hill Epic Value Maiden Hurdle (Div 1) 19f · Good To Yielding · 12 ran 1/12 11-4 —59A112A Mark Walsh 3/1
2023 · 2 runs
11 Nov 23+226d Gowran Park PRL Group Maiden Hurdle (Div 2) 16f · Heavy · 17 ran 7/17 20 11-7 —24C104C Jody McGarvey 14/1
30 Mar 23 Naas Join The Naas Racecourse Business Club Maiden Hurdle 16.5f · Yielding To Soft · 23 ran 9/23 shd 11-7 —39B106A Darragh O'Keeffe 33/1

Quick answers

How many races has Win Some Lose Some won?
Win Some Lose Some (IRE) won 4 of 16 archived starts between 2023 and 2026, a strike rate of 25%. Placed 6 times in total (37.5% of starts).
Who trains Win Some Lose Some?
Win Some Lose Some (IRE) is trained by Padraig Roche, who saddled the horse on its most recent run on 1 February 2026.
Who is Win Some Lose Some's sire?
Win Some Lose Some (IRE) is by Champs Elysees (GB) out of All For Luck (IRE), whose sire is High Chaparral.
What going does Win Some Lose Some prefer?
Win Some Lose Some (IRE) has the best record on good to soft going: 3 wins from 6 starts (50%). Only going bands with at least three archived starts are read, so this is a direction rather than a settled preference.
What is Win Some Lose Some's official rating?
The most recent official rating on record is 131, from the run on 1 February 2026. The highest on record is 138.
What is Win Some Lose Some's sire's record?
Champs Elysees (GB)'s progeny in our archive have won 11.5% of 7,122 runs since Jan 2008 (521 horses), Flat and jumps together. Weakest on heavy going: 7.9% from 391. Weakest over 6f – 7f (all codes): 7.5% from 387.
Who are Win Some Lose Some's siblings?
Out of All For Luck (IRE), Win Some Lose Some (IRE) has 2 other produce in our archive, 0 of them winners. As at Oct 2026.

Record shown from March 2023. Our archive holds racing in Great Britain, Ireland and France from January 2005. Runs in other countries are not in it, and earlier runs are not available from our data provider. In-running comments are available from 2024 onward.