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Horse profile

Logician (GB)

5yo horse (at last run, Jun 2021) · Last trainer John & Thady Gosden · Last owner Juddmonte
by Frankel (GB) out of Scuffle (GB) (Daylami)
9 runs · 4 courses · from May 2019
As at 21 Oct 2026 · KTB archive: GB, Ireland & France · 2005–present, updated daily
No run recorded since 26 Jun 2021 — 1,943 days ago. Our archive can't say whether the horse is still in training.
Last run Jun 2021 · 2nd of 6 6 wins · 4 courses Beaten favourite LTO Last raced off OR 116
KTB Profile

Logician (GB) is 6 from 9, including a Group 1 win. The biggest win we hold: the William Hill St Leger Stakes at Doncaster (Sep 2019). Hasn't won since Sep 2020. 5 of 6 starts on good or faster ground have ended in wins — 1 from 3 on softer.

Based on 9 archived runs · updated 21 Oct 2026

Progeny in our archive

Progeny record

As a sire, Logician (GB)’s progeny in our archive have won 22.2% of 9 runs since Jan 2008 (4 horses). A small sample.

GoingRunsWinsSRvs sire
Good to Firm200%−22.2
Good200%−22.2
Soft11100%+77.8
Heavy2150%+27.8
Standard (AW)200%−22.2
Distance (all codes)RunsWinsSRvs sire
6f – 7f300%−22.2
1m – 1m1f300%−22.2
1m5f – 2m22100%+77.8
2m1f – 2m4f100%−22.2

Flat and jumps together (all codes) · since Jan 2008 · as at 21 Oct 2026 · rows under 30 runs muted · win % is the measure, a record not a forecast

Official rating116↓ 2lb off peak
116 90–118

KTB Speed and Rating

KTB Speed

Best recent Speed 145 the best of the last 3 graded (A or B) runs · Doncaster, 14 Sep 2019

How fast the horse ran, as points against the day-corrected standard time for its course and distance: 100 is the median GB Class 4 handicap winner on that code; one point is 0.1% of the standard time. A, B or C is how much the day's card could tell us, not how good the run was. What this means →

Flat 9 figures · best 145A · median 103
GoingRunsBestMedianSince 21 Oct 2025
Good to Firm3145A129—
Good3111C86—
Good to Soft2103C89—
Soft1———
DistanceRunsBestMedianSince 21 Oct 2025
1m2f – 1m4f8129C95.5—
1m5f – 2m1———

KTB Speed v1 · batch 15 Sep 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 9 figures from 9 runs · as at 3 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast

KTB Rating

Best recent KTB Rating 103B the best of the last 3 rated runs · Newmarket, 26 Jun 2021 Official rating 116 at the last run, 26 Jun 2021

What the horse achieved in each race, in pounds on the official-rating scale, from the weight carried, the lengths beaten and the race's own level solved across the archive — never the market, never the official rating as a starting point. The headline is the best of the horse's last three rated runs on that code. A, B or C on a run is how much known form was in that race. What this means →

Flat 9 figures · best 106B · median 100
GoingRunsBestMedianSince 21 Oct 2025
Good to Firm3105B103—
Good3106B100—
Good to Soft2101A96—
Soft1———
DistanceRunsBestMedianSince 21 Oct 2025
1m2f – 1m4f8106B100.5—
1m5f – 2m1———

KTB Rating v1 · batch 3 Oct 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 9 figures from 9 runs · as at 4 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast

Both figures are KTB's own, computed from the archive; no vendor rating enters either. Every run's figure is on its form line below with its grade. Grades measure how much the archive could see, never the merit of the run.

Run style is derived from in-running commentary, which our data provider does not supply for this horse's races.

Pedigree intelligence

Sire

Progeny in our archive have won 18% of 7,499 runs since Jan 2008 (875 horses).

Weakest on heavy going: 12.3% from 324. Weakest over 2m1f – 2m4f (all codes): 12.4% from 267.

GoingRunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
Firm15426.7%+8.7—
Good to Firm1,28025920.2%+2.22 from 3
Good1,91536218.9%+0.93 from 3
Good to Soft1,02017517.2%−0.81 from 2
Soft1,10616114.6%−3.40 from 1
Heavy3244012.3%−5.7—
Standard (AW)1,83934718.9%+0.9—
Distance (all codes)RunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
Under 6f641117.2%−0.8—
6f – 7f1,25623618.8%+0.8—
1m – 1m1f1,97236818.7%+0.7—
1m2f – 1m4f2,87754318.9%+0.95 from 8
1m5f – 2m96815115.6%−2.41 from 1
2m1f – 2m4f2673312.4%−5.6—
2m5f – 3m8467.1%−10.9—
Over 3m1100%−18—

Flat and jumps together (all codes) · since Jan 2008 · as at 21 Oct 2026 · rows under 30 runs muted · win % is the measure, a record not a forecast

Dam
Scuffle (GB) (Daylami)

8 siblings in the archive, 8 winners — best of them Collide (GB) (6 wins).

The wins came over 5½f–1m6f; the highest grade won is Group 3 (Okeechobee (GB)).

Family form: Najidi Storm (GB) finished 2nd of 11 at Wolverhampton (AW), 28 Sep 2026.

ProduceRunsWinsWin tripsBest grade
Collide (GB)1661m1f–1m6fListed
Okeechobee (GB)1141m–1m2fGroup 3
Suffused (GB)837f–1m2fClass 3
Battlement (GB)937f–1mClass 4
Sleep Walk (GB)535½f–6fClass 5
Skimmer (GB)321m2f–1m3fClass 2
Najidi Storm (GB)311mClass 4
Monsoon Moon (GB)211mClass 4

Record by conditions

GoingRunsWinsSR£1
Good to Firm 3 2 67% +0.03
Good 3 3 100% +3.99
Good to Soft 2 1 50% −0.78
Soft 1 0 0% −1.00

ClassRunsWinsSR£1
Class 1 5 2 40% −1.26
Class 4 2 2 100% +3.22
Class 2 1 1 100% +0.08
Class 3 1 1 100% +0.20

CourseRunsWinsSR£1
Newbury 3 2 67% +2.20
Newmarket 2 1 50% −0.78
York 2 1 50% −0.09
Doncaster 2 2 100% +0.91

DistanceRunsWinsSR£1
1m2f – 1m4f 8 5 63% +1.41
1m5f – 2m 1 1 100% +0.83

JockeyRunsWinsSR£1
Frankie Dettori 5 4 80% +1.02
Robert Havlin 2 1 50% −0.78
Martin Harley 1 0 0% −1.00
Kieran O'Neill 1 1 100% +3.00

SeasonRunsWinsSR£1
2021 2 0 0% −2.00
2020 2 1 50% −0.92
2019 5 5 100% +5.16

Splits include every sample, however small — muted rows are under 3 runs. A one-from-one record is a fact, not a trend: read the Runs column before the strike rate.

Form

DateCourseRace PosBtn Wgt ORSpdKTB Jockey SP
26 Jun 21+42d Newmarket Close Brothers Fred Archer Stakes (Listed) Class 1 · 12f · Good To Firm · 6 ran 2/6 1 9-0 116112A103B Robert Havlin 5/6F
15 May 21+218d Newbury Al Rayyan Stakes (Group 3) (Registered As The Aston Park Stakes) Class 1 · 12f · Good To Soft · 5 ran 3/5 1½ 9-0 118103C91B Frankie Dettori 15/8
09 Oct 20+29d York Betsafe Cumberland Lodge Stakes (Group 3) Class 1 · 12f · Soft · 4 ran 4/4 nk 9-0 11888C81B Martin Harley 1/3F
10 Sep 20+362d Doncaster Sky Sports Racing Sky 415 Conditions Stakes Class 2 · 10f · Good · 2 ran 1/2 9-2 11878C100C Frankie Dettori 1/12F
14 Sep 19+24d Doncaster William Hill St Leger Stakes (Group 1) (British Champions Series) Class 1 · 14.5f · Good To Firm · 8 ran 1/8 9-1 115145A100A Frankie Dettori 5/6F
21 Aug 19+48d York Sky Bet Great Voltigeur Stakes (Group 2) Class 1 · 12f · Good · 5 ran 1/5 9-0 101111C106B Frankie Dettori 10/11F
04 Jul 19+13d Newbury Rancho Zabaco Handicap Class 3 · 12f · Good To Firm · 5 ran 1/5 9-7 90129C105B Frankie Dettori 1/5F
21 Jun 19+35d Newmarket Palace House Newmarket British EBF Novice Stakes (Plus 10) Class 4 · 10f · Good To Soft · 7 ran 1/7 9-8 —75A101A Robert Havlin 2/9F
17 May 19 Newbury Rossdales Lambourn Veterinary Surgeons British EBF Maiden Stakes (Plus 10) Class 4 · 10f · Good · 19 ran 1/19 9-5 —86C95A Kieran O'Neill 3/1F

Quick answers

How many races has Logician (GB) won?
Logician (GB) won 6 of 9 archived starts between 2019 and 2021, a strike rate of 66.7%. Placed 7 times in total (77.8% of starts).
Who trained Logician (GB)?
Logician (GB) was trained by John & Thady Gosden on the most recent run on record, at Newmarket on 26 June 2021.
Who is Logician (GB)'s sire?
Logician (GB) is by Frankel (GB) out of Scuffle (GB), whose sire is Daylami.
What going does Logician (GB) prefer?
Logician (GB) has the best record on good going: 3 wins from 3 starts (100%). Only going bands with at least three archived starts are read, so this is a direction rather than a settled preference.
What is Logician (GB)'s official rating?
The most recent official rating on record is 116, from the run on 26 June 2021. The highest on record is 118.
What is Logician (GB)'s sire's record?
Frankel (GB)'s progeny in our archive have won 18% of 7,499 runs since Jan 2008 (875 horses), Flat and jumps together. Weakest on heavy going: 12.3% from 324. Weakest over 2m1f – 2m4f (all codes): 12.4% from 267.
Who are Logician (GB)'s siblings?
Out of Scuffle (GB), Logician (GB) has 8 other produce in our archive, 8 of them winners. Most wins: Collide (GB) (6). Highest grade won: Group 3 (Okeechobee (GB)). The wins came over 5½f–1m6f. As at Oct 2026.
Has Logician (GB) sired winners?
As a sire, Logician (GB)'s progeny in our archive have won 22.2% of 9 runs since Jan 2008 (4 horses), Flat and jumps together. A small sample.

Record shown from May 2019. Our archive holds racing in Great Britain, Ireland and France from January 2005. Runs in other countries are not in it, and earlier runs are not available from our data provider. In-running comments are available from 2024 onward.