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Horse profile

Not So Proper (IRE)

9yo gelding · Trainer C Byrnes · Owner Byrnes Bloodstock Limited
by Notnowcato (GB) out of So Proper (IRE) (Topanoora)
8 runs · 7 courses · from Mar 2022
As at 25 Oct 2026 · KTB archive: GB, Ireland & France · 2005–present, updated daily
Last run 2 Oct 2026 · 19th of 20 Last raced off OR 79
KTB Profile

Not So Proper is a gelding by Notnowcato out of So Proper who has yet to win from eight starts on turf. He has raced four times over 2m1f to 2m4f and four times over 1m5f to 2m without placing. His last run, at Gowran Park in Oct 2026, saw him finish 19 of 20 in a Racing TV Handicap Hurdle when he was held. He last raced off an official rating of 79, 10 lb below his highest ever mark.

Based on 8 archived runs · run-style from 3 commented runs since Jan 2026 · updated 25 Oct 2026

KTB Speed and Rating

KTB Speed

Best recent Speed — no A or B graded figure in the last 3 runs; the figures below carry grade C

How fast the horse ran, as points against the day-corrected standard time for its course and distance: 100 is the median GB Class 4 handicap winner on that code; one point is 0.1% of the standard time. A, B or C is how much the day's card could tell us, not how good the run was. What this means →

Jumps 7 figures · best 75C · median 30
GoingRunsBestMedianSince 25 Oct 2025
Good375C681 run · —
Heavy211C4.51 run · —
Good to Soft230C29—
DistanceRunsBestMedianSince 25 Oct 2025
1m5f – 2m475C491 run · —
2m1f – 2m4f341C281 run · —

Of 8 runs looked at, 1 has no figure: obstacles omitted — the race ran a shortened course (1).

KTB Speed v1 · batch 15 Sep 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 7 figures from 8 runs · as at 10 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast

KTB Rating

Best recent KTB Rating 80C the best of the last 3 rated runs · Punchestown, 24 May 2022 Official rating 79 at the last run, 2 Oct 2026

What the horse achieved in each race, in pounds on the official-rating scale, from the weight carried, the lengths beaten and the race's own level solved across the archive — never the market, never the official rating as a starting point. The headline is the best of the horse's last three rated runs on that code. A, B or C on a run is how much known form was in that race. What this means →

Jumps 7 figures · best 100C · median 81
GoingRunsBestMedianSince 25 Oct 2025
Good381C801 run · —
Heavy2100C82.51 run · —
Good to Soft296C95—
DistanceRunsBestMedianSince 25 Oct 2025
1m5f – 2m494C80.51 run · —
2m1f – 2m4f3100C961 run · —

Of 8 runs looked at, 1 has no figure: did not complete (or a non-runner row) (1).

KTB Rating v1 · batch 3 Oct 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 7 figures from 8 runs · as at 4 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast

Both figures are KTB's own, computed from the archive; no vendor rating enters either. Every run's figure is on its form line below with its grade. Grades measure how much the archive could see, never the merit of the run.

Run style from 3 analysed runs since Jan 2026

  • Held up 2 (67%) · 0 wins
  • Mid-division 1 (33%) · 0 wins

Pedigree intelligence

Sire

Progeny in our archive have won 9.8% of 2,369 runs since Jan 2008 (226 horses).

Strongest on good to soft going: 14.5% from 386. Weakest over 6f – 7f (all codes): 6.6% from 349.

GoingRunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
Firm1700%−9.8—
Good to Firm2662710.2%+0.4—
Good6536710.3%+0.50 from 3
Good to Soft3865614.5%+4.70 from 2
Soft466347.3%−2.50 from 1
Heavy171179.9%+0.10 from 2
Standard (AW)410317.6%−2.2—
Distance (all codes)RunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
Under 6f5247.7%−2.1—
6f – 7f349236.6%−3.2—
1m – 1m1f3624612.7%+2.9—
1m2f – 1m4f3663910.7%+0.9—
1m5f – 2m5255310.1%+0.30 from 4
2m1f – 2m4f4024010%+0.20 from 4
2m5f – 3m274238.4%−1.4—
Over 3m39410.3%+0.5—

Flat and jumps together (all codes) · since Jan 2008 · as at 25 Oct 2026 · rows under 30 runs muted · win % is the measure, a record not a forecast

Dam
So Proper (IRE) (Topanoora)

5 siblings in the archive, 4 winners — best of them Motown Girl (IRE) (1 win).

The wins came over 2m–2m4f; the highest grade won is Class 4 (Fly By Milan (IRE)).

ProduceRunsWinsWin tripsBest grade
Motown Girl (IRE)612m—
Fly By Milan (IRE)712m4fClass 4
So Oscar (IRE)1112mClass 6
Stormy Oscar (IRE)2012m—
Eddie Mush (IRE)80——

Record by conditions

GoingRunsWinsSR£1
Good 3 0 0% −3.00
Heavy 2 0 0% −2.00
Good to Soft 2 0 0% −2.00
Soft 1 0 0% −1.00

CourseRunsWinsSR£1
Kilbeggan 2 0 0% −2.00
Gowran Park (IRE) 1 0 0% −1.00
Thurles 1 0 0% −1.00
Fairyhouse 1 0 0% −1.00
Punchestown 1 0 0% −1.00
Limerick 1 0 0% −1.00
Clonmel 1 0 0% −1.00

DistanceRunsWinsSR£1
2m1f – 2m4f 4 0 0% −4.00
1m5f – 2m 4 0 0% −4.00

JockeyRunsWinsSR£1
Donal McInerney 2 0 0% −2.00
Tom Kelly 1 0 0% −1.00
Sarah Kavanagh 1 0 0% −1.00
Philip Byrnes 1 0 0% −1.00
Ambrose McCurtin 1 0 0% −1.00
Phillip Enright 1 0 0% −1.00
Richard Deegan 1 0 0% −1.00

SeasonRunsWinsSR£1
2026 3 0 0% −3.00
2022 5 0 0% −5.00

Splits include every sample, however small — muted rows are under 3 runs. A one-from-one record is a fact, not a trend: read the Runs column before the strike rate.

Form

DateCourseRace PosBtn Wgt ORSpdKTB Jockey SP
2026 · 3 runs
02 Oct 26+225d Gowran Park (IRE) Racing TV Handicap Hurdle (Div I) 20f · Good · 20 ran Held up at the back throughout - well beaten in 19th 19/20 3 10-0 7941C64C Tom Kelly 50/1
19 Feb 26+35d Thurles Connolly's RED MILLS Ladies Handicap Hurdle 16.5f · Soft To Heavy · 17 ran Held up in the pack from the start - made no impression as the race developed - well beaten in the closing stages 16/17 9½ 9-10 8111C65C Sarah Kavanagh 66/1
15 Jan 26+1332d Fairyhouse William Hill Each Way Extra Challenge Series Handicap Hurdle (0-100) (Div 2) 20f · Soft · 15 ran Held up at the back throughout - lost touch before 4 out - eased and pulled up before 2 out PU/15 — 10-12 82—— Philip Byrnes 28/1
2022 · 5 runs
24 May 22+11d Punchestown Bar One Racing 50 Free Bet Handicap Hurdle (80-95) (Div 1) 16.5f · Good · 19 ran 16/19 12 11-5 8968C80C Ambrose McCurtin 33/1
13 May 22+22d Kilbeggan KilbegganRaces.com Maiden Hurdle 16f · Good · 11 ran 10/11 1½ 11-12 —75C81C Donal McInerney 50/1
21 Apr 22+25d Kilbeggan Spring Two Day N.H. Race Meeting Maiden Hurdle (Div 2) 15f · Good To Yielding · 14 ran 8/14 14 11-12 —30C94C Donal McInerney 100/1
27 Mar 22+24d Limerick Nevilles Bar And Restaurant Irish EBF Maiden Hurdle (Div 1) 19f · Good To Yielding · 13 ran 10/13 hd 11-12 —28C96C Phillip Enright 33/1
03 Mar 22 Clonmel Irish Stallion Farms Ebf Maiden Hurdle 18.5f · Heavy · 17 ran 11/17 3¾ 11-1 —-2C100C Richard Deegan 33/1

Quick answers

How many races has Not So Proper won?
Not So Proper (IRE) has yet to win, from 8 archived starts between 2022 and 2026.
Who trains Not So Proper?
Not So Proper (IRE) is trained by C Byrnes, who saddled the horse on its most recent run on 2 October 2026.
Who is Not So Proper's sire?
Not So Proper (IRE) is by Notnowcato (GB) out of So Proper (IRE), whose sire is Topanoora.
What is Not So Proper's official rating?
The most recent official rating on record is 79, from the run on 2 October 2026. The highest on record is 89.
What is Not So Proper's sire's record?
Notnowcato (GB)'s progeny in our archive have won 9.8% of 2,369 runs since Jan 2008 (226 horses), Flat and jumps together. Strongest on good to soft going: 14.5% from 386. Weakest over 6f – 7f (all codes): 6.6% from 349.
Who are Not So Proper's siblings?
Out of So Proper (IRE), Not So Proper (IRE) has 5 other produce in our archive, 4 of them winners. Most wins: Motown Girl (IRE) (1). Highest grade won: Class 4 (Fly By Milan (IRE)). The wins came over 2m–2m4f. As at Oct 2026.

Record shown from March 2022. Our archive holds racing in Great Britain, Ireland and France from January 2005. Runs in other countries are not in it, and earlier runs are not available from our data provider. In-running comments are available from 2024 onward.