Not So Proper (IRE)
Not So Proper is a gelding by Notnowcato out of So Proper who has yet to win from eight starts on turf. He has raced four times over 2m1f to 2m4f and four times over 1m5f to 2m without placing. His last run, at Gowran Park in Oct 2026, saw him finish 19 of 20 in a Racing TV Handicap Hurdle when he was held. He last raced off an official rating of 79, 10 lb below his highest ever mark.
- 0–8Wins / Runs
- 0%Strike rate
- 0 (0%)Placed
- −8.00£1 level staken=8 at SP
- 0.00Fair A/E n=8 · 0.00 incl. margin
- 89Highest OR
- 239dAvg between runs
A/E compares actual wins with what starting prices implied. "Fair" strips the bookmaker margin from the expectation, so favourites and longshots are judged on the same footing — figures near 1.00 mean the market priced this horse about right.
KTB Speed and Rating
Best recent Speed —
How fast the horse ran, as points against the day-corrected standard time for its course and distance: 100 is the median GB Class 4 handicap winner on that code; one point is 0.1% of the standard time. A, B or C is how much the day's card could tell us, not how good the run was. What this means →
| Going | Runs | Best | Median | Since 25 Oct 2025 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Good | 3 | 75C | 68 | 1 run · — |
| Heavy | 2 | 11C | 4.5 | 1 run · — |
| Good to Soft | 2 | 30C | 29 | — |
| Distance | Runs | Best | Median | Since 25 Oct 2025 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1m5f – 2m | 4 | 75C | 49 | 1 run · — |
| 2m1f – 2m4f | 3 | 41C | 28 | 1 run · — |
Of 8 runs looked at, 1 has no figure: obstacles omitted — the race ran a shortened course (1).
KTB Speed v1 · batch 15 Sep 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 7 figures from 8 runs · as at 10 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast
Both figures are KTB's own, computed from the archive; no vendor rating enters either. Every run's figure is on its form line below with its grade. Grades measure how much the archive could see, never the merit of the run.
Run style from 3 analysed runs since Jan 2026
- Held up 2 (67%) · 0 wins
- Mid-division 1 (33%) · 0 wins
Pedigree intelligence
Progeny in our archive have won 9.8% of 2,369 runs since Jan 2008 (226 horses).
Strongest on good to soft going: 14.5% from 386. Weakest over 6f – 7f (all codes): 6.6% from 349.
| Going | Runs | Wins | SR | vs sire | This horse |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Firm | 17 | 0 | 0% | −9.8 | — |
| Good to Firm | 266 | 27 | 10.2% | +0.4 | — |
| Good | 653 | 67 | 10.3% | +0.5 | 0 from 3 |
| Good to Soft | 386 | 56 | 14.5% | +4.7 | 0 from 2 |
| Soft | 466 | 34 | 7.3% | −2.5 | 0 from 1 |
| Heavy | 171 | 17 | 9.9% | +0.1 | 0 from 2 |
| Standard (AW) | 410 | 31 | 7.6% | −2.2 | — |
| Distance (all codes) | Runs | Wins | SR | vs sire | This horse |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Under 6f | 52 | 4 | 7.7% | −2.1 | — |
| 6f – 7f | 349 | 23 | 6.6% | −3.2 | — |
| 1m – 1m1f | 362 | 46 | 12.7% | +2.9 | — |
| 1m2f – 1m4f | 366 | 39 | 10.7% | +0.9 | — |
| 1m5f – 2m | 525 | 53 | 10.1% | +0.3 | 0 from 4 |
| 2m1f – 2m4f | 402 | 40 | 10% | +0.2 | 0 from 4 |
| 2m5f – 3m | 274 | 23 | 8.4% | −1.4 | — |
| Over 3m | 39 | 4 | 10.3% | +0.5 | — |
Flat and jumps together (all codes) · since Jan 2008 · as at 25 Oct 2026 · rows under 30 runs muted · win % is the measure, a record not a forecast
5 siblings in the archive, 4 winners — best of them Motown Girl (IRE) (1 win).
The wins came over 2m–2m4f; the highest grade won is Class 4 (Fly By Milan (IRE)).
| Produce | Runs | Wins | Win trips | Best grade |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Motown Girl (IRE) | 6 | 1 | 2m | — |
| Fly By Milan (IRE) | 7 | 1 | 2m4f | Class 4 |
| So Oscar (IRE) | 11 | 1 | 2m | Class 6 |
| Stormy Oscar (IRE) | 20 | 1 | 2m | — |
| Eddie Mush (IRE) | 8 | 0 | — | — |
Record by conditions
| Going | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Good | 3 | 0 | 0% | −3.00 |
| Heavy | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Good to Soft | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Soft | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Course | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Kilbeggan | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Gowran Park (IRE) | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Thurles | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Fairyhouse | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Punchestown | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Limerick | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Clonmel | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Distance | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2m1f – 2m4f | 4 | 0 | 0% | −4.00 |
| 1m5f – 2m | 4 | 0 | 0% | −4.00 |
| Jockey | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Donal McInerney | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Tom Kelly | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Sarah Kavanagh | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Philip Byrnes | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Ambrose McCurtin | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Phillip Enright | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Richard Deegan | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Season | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2026 | 3 | 0 | 0% | −3.00 |
| 2022 | 5 | 0 | 0% | −5.00 |
Splits include every sample, however small — muted rows are under 3 runs. A one-from-one record is a fact, not a trend: read the Runs column before the strike rate.
Form
| Date | Course | Race | Pos | Btn | Wgt | OR | Spd | KTB | Jockey | SP |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2026 · 3 runs | ||||||||||
| 02 Oct 26+225d | Gowran Park (IRE) | Racing TV Handicap Hurdle (Div I) Held up at the back throughout - well beaten in 19th | 19/20 | 3 | 10-0 | 79 | 41C | 64C | Tom Kelly | 50/1 |
| 19 Feb 26+35d | Thurles | Connolly's RED MILLS Ladies Handicap Hurdle Held up in the pack from the start - made no impression as the race developed - well beaten in the closing stages | 16/17 | 9½ | 9-10 | 81 | 11C | 65C | Sarah Kavanagh | 66/1 |
| 15 Jan 26+1332d | Fairyhouse | William Hill Each Way Extra Challenge Series Handicap Hurdle (0-100) (Div 2) Held up at the back throughout - lost touch before 4 out - eased and pulled up before 2 out | PU/15 | — | 10-12 | 82 | — | — | Philip Byrnes | 28/1 |
| 2022 · 5 runs | ||||||||||
| 24 May 22+11d | Punchestown | Bar One Racing 50 Free Bet Handicap Hurdle (80-95) (Div 1) | 16/19 | 12 | 11-5 | 89 | 68C | 80C | Ambrose McCurtin | 33/1 |
| 13 May 22+22d | Kilbeggan | KilbegganRaces.com Maiden Hurdle | 10/11 | 1½ | 11-12 | — | 75C | 81C | Donal McInerney | 50/1 |
| 21 Apr 22+25d | Kilbeggan | Spring Two Day N.H. Race Meeting Maiden Hurdle (Div 2) | 8/14 | 14 | 11-12 | — | 30C | 94C | Donal McInerney | 100/1 |
| 27 Mar 22+24d | Limerick | Nevilles Bar And Restaurant Irish EBF Maiden Hurdle (Div 1) | 10/13 | hd | 11-12 | — | 28C | 96C | Phillip Enright | 33/1 |
| 03 Mar 22 | Clonmel | Irish Stallion Farms Ebf Maiden Hurdle | 11/17 | 3¾ | 11-1 | — | -2C | 100C | Richard Deegan | 33/1 |
Quick answers
- How many races has Not So Proper won?
- Not So Proper (IRE) has yet to win, from 8 archived starts between 2022 and 2026.
- Who trains Not So Proper?
- Not So Proper (IRE) is trained by C Byrnes, who saddled the horse on its most recent run on 2 October 2026.
- Who is Not So Proper's sire?
- Not So Proper (IRE) is by Notnowcato (GB) out of So Proper (IRE), whose sire is Topanoora.
- What is Not So Proper's official rating?
- The most recent official rating on record is 79, from the run on 2 October 2026. The highest on record is 89.
- What is Not So Proper's sire's record?
- Notnowcato (GB)'s progeny in our archive have won 9.8% of 2,369 runs since Jan 2008 (226 horses), Flat and jumps together. Strongest on good to soft going: 14.5% from 386. Weakest over 6f – 7f (all codes): 6.6% from 349.
- Who are Not So Proper's siblings?
- Out of So Proper (IRE), Not So Proper (IRE) has 5 other produce in our archive, 4 of them winners. Most wins: Motown Girl (IRE) (1). Highest grade won: Class 4 (Fly By Milan (IRE)). The wins came over 2m–2m4f. As at Oct 2026.