Them And Us (IRE)
Them And Us (IRE) is 3 from 12. Hasn't won since Jun 2015. Last raced off a career-high mark of 88.
- 3–12Wins / Runs
- 25%Strike rate
- 7 (58.3%)Placed
- +26.50£1 level staken=12 at SP
- 2.09Fair A/E n=12 · 1.78 incl. margin
- 88Highest OR
- 34dAvg between runs
A/E compares actual wins with what starting prices implied. "Fair" strips the bookmaker margin from the expectation, so favourites and longshots are judged on the same footing — figures near 1.00 mean the market priced this horse about right.
KTB Speed and Rating
No KTB Speed figures for this horse. The engine scores GB and Irish racing from Oct 2016; runs elsewhere, or earlier, have no figure.
KTB Speed v1 · batch 15 Sep 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 0 figures from 0 runs · a record, not a forecast
Both figures are KTB's own, computed from the archive; no vendor rating enters either. Every run's figure is on its form line below with its grade. Grades measure how much the archive could see, never the merit of the run.
Run style is derived from in-running commentary, which our data provider does not supply for this horse's races.
Pedigree intelligence
Progeny in our archive have won 9.8% of 11,563 runs since Jan 2008 (871 horses).
| Going | Runs | Wins | SR | vs sire | This horse |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Firm | 90 | 11 | 12.2% | +2.4 | — |
| Good to Firm | 1,839 | 201 | 10.9% | +1.1 | 0 from 2 |
| Good | 2,762 | 277 | 10% | +0.2 | 3 from 7 |
| Good to Soft | 1,375 | 135 | 9.8% | 0 | — |
| Soft | 1,852 | 183 | 9.9% | +0.1 | 0 from 1 |
| Heavy | 709 | 68 | 9.6% | −0.2 | — |
| Standard (AW) | 2,936 | 258 | 8.8% | −1 | 0 from 2 |
| Distance (all codes) | Runs | Wins | SR | vs sire | This horse |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Under 6f | 632 | 63 | 10% | +0.2 | — |
| 6f – 7f | 2,582 | 241 | 9.3% | −0.5 | 2 from 8 |
| 1m – 1m1f | 2,784 | 272 | 9.8% | 0 | 1 from 4 |
| 1m2f – 1m4f | 3,105 | 350 | 11.3% | +1.5 | — |
| 1m5f – 2m | 1,547 | 131 | 8.5% | −1.3 | — |
| 2m1f – 2m4f | 692 | 59 | 8.5% | −1.3 | — |
| 2m5f – 3m | 197 | 14 | 7.1% | −2.7 | — |
| Over 3m | 24 | 3 | 12.5% | +2.7 | — |
Flat and jumps together (all codes) · since Jan 2008 · as at 21 Oct 2026 · rows under 30 runs muted · win % is the measure, a record not a forecast
5 siblings in the archive, 1 winner — best of them Native Falls (IRE) (4 wins).
The wins came over 6f–7f; the highest grade won is Class 5 (Native Falls (IRE)).
| Produce | Runs | Wins | Win trips | Best grade |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Native Falls (IRE) | 35 | 4 | 6f–7f | Class 5 |
| Gillabbey Rock (IRE) | 14 | 0 | — | — |
| Derval (IRE) | 5 | 0 | — | — |
| Raffys Rock (IRE) | 2 | 0 | — | — |
| Soudabeh (IRE) | 1 | 0 | — | — |
Record by conditions
| Going | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Good | 7 | 3 | 43% | +31.50 |
| Good to Firm | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Standard (AW) | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Soft | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Class | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Class 3 | 5 | 0 | 0% | −5.00 |
| Class 4 | 4 | 2 | 50% | +17.50 |
| Class 2 | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Class 5 | 1 | 1 | 100% | +16.00 |
| Course | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Newmarket | 6 | 1 | 17% | +0.50 |
| Ascot | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Epsom Downs | 1 | 1 | 100% | +14.00 |
| Lingfield (AW) | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Kempton (AW) | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Doncaster | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Ripon | 1 | 1 | 100% | +16.00 |
| Distance | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 6f – 7f | 8 | 2 | 25% | +15.50 |
| 1m – 1m1f | 4 | 1 | 25% | +11.00 |
| Jockey | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Louis Steward | 3 | 1 | 33% | +3.50 |
| William Twiston-Davies | 3 | 1 | 33% | +14.00 |
| Jamie Spencer | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Tom Queally | 2 | 1 | 50% | +13.00 |
| M J Kenneally | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| George Baker | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Season | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2015 | 9 | 2 | 22% | +12.50 |
| 2014 | 3 | 1 | 33% | +14.00 |
Splits include every sample, however small — muted rows are under 3 runs. A one-from-one record is a fact, not a trend: read the Runs column before the strike rate.
Form
| Date | Course | Race | Pos | Btn | Wgt | OR | KTB | Jockey | SP |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 02 Oct 15+34d | Ascot | Troy Asset Management Handicap | 2/9 | hd | 9-5 | 88 | 96A | Jamie Spencer | 10/1 |
| 29 Aug 15+28d | Newmarket | Fly Thomson From London Southend Airport Handicap | 5/8 | nk | 9-7 | 88 | 86A | Jamie Spencer | 4/1 |
| 01 Aug 15+21d | Newmarket | Racing UK Handicap | 3/9 | ¾ | 9-4 | 88 | 81A | Louis Steward | 7/2 |
| 11 Jul 15+21d | Newmarket | bet365 Mile (Handicap) | 4/12 | 1¾ | 8-10 | 88 | 91A | Louis Steward | 12/1 |
| 20 Jun 15+21d | Newmarket | franciswainjewellers.com Handicap | 1/9 | 9-2 | 83 | 92A | Louis Steward | 11/2 | |
| 30 May 15+16d | Newmarket | Bet 25 Get 50 At winner.co.uk Handicap | 8/11 | 1 | 8-8 | 83 | 57A | M J Kenneally | 7/1 |
| 14 May 15+22d | Newmarket | East Anglian Daily Times Handicap | 2/9 | 1½ | 9-3 | 80 | 88A | Tom Queally | 9/2 |
| 22 Apr 15+14d | Epsom Downs | Investec Private Bank Handicap | 1/10 | 9-6 | 78 | 91A | Tom Queally | 14/1 | |
| 08 Apr 15+132d | Lingfield (AW) | Oyster Handicap | 3/6 | ¾ | 9-2 | 77 | 78B | William Twiston-Davies | 8/1 |
| 27 Nov 14+33d | Kempton (AW) | BetVictor.com Nursery | 2/7 | ½ | 9-3 | 75 | 87A | George Baker | 4/1 |
| 25 Oct 14+28d | Doncaster | crownhotel-bawtry.com Nursery | 6/10 | 6 | 8-9 | 77 | 63A | William Twiston-Davies | 4/1 |
| 27 Sep 14 | Ripon | Irish Stallion Farms Ebf Maiden Stakes | 1/13 | 9-5 | — | 95A | William Twiston-Davies | 16/1 |
Quick answers
- How many races has Them And Us (IRE) won?
- Them And Us (IRE) won 3 of 12 archived starts between 2014 and 2015, a strike rate of 25%. Placed 7 times in total (58.3% of starts).
- Who trained Them And Us (IRE)?
- Them And Us (IRE) was trained by Michael Bell on the most recent run on record, at Ascot on 2 October 2015.
- Who is Them And Us (IRE)'s sire?
- Them And Us (IRE) is by Rock Of Gibraltar (IRE) out of Sagrada (GER), whose sire is Primo Dominie.
- What going does Them And Us (IRE) prefer?
- Them And Us (IRE) has the best record on good going: 3 wins from 7 starts (42.9%). Only going bands with at least three archived starts are read, so this is a direction rather than a settled preference.
- What is Them And Us (IRE)'s official rating?
- The most recent official rating on record is 88, from the run on 2 October 2015. That is also the highest on record.
- What is Them And Us (IRE)'s sire's record?
- Rock Of Gibraltar (IRE)'s progeny in our archive have won 9.8% of 11,563 runs since Jan 2008 (871 horses), Flat and jumps together.
- Who are Them And Us (IRE)'s siblings?
- Out of Sagrada (GER), Them And Us (IRE) has 5 other produce in our archive, 1 of them a winner. Most wins: Native Falls (IRE) (4). Highest grade won: Class 5 (Native Falls (IRE)). The wins came over 6f–7f. As at Oct 2026.