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Horse profile

Upthereforthinking (IRE)

7yo gelding · Trainer Jake Thomas Coulson · Owner The Carter Family
by Mount Nelson (GB) out of Martinstown Queen (IRE) (Saddlers' Hall)
15 runs · 11 courses · from Aug 2023
As at 18 Oct 2026 · KTB archive: GB, Ireland & France · 2005–present, updated daily
Off 193 days Last raced off OR 88
KTB Profile

Upthereforthinking is a maiden who has failed to win or place from 15 starts on turf. His best effort came when fourth of five at Stratford in Aug 2024. He has raced over 1m5f – 2m, 2m1f – 2m4f and 2m5f – 3m on good, good to soft and soft ground. Aged 7 at his last run in Apr 2026, he finished in the Travel Incentive For British Buyers Novices' Selling Hurdle at Exeter off an official rating of 88, 19lb below his highest ever mark.

Based on 15 archived runs · run-style from 2 commented runs · updated 18 Oct 2026
KTB at a glance OR ↓ 19lb off peak
Official rating88↓ 19lb off peak
88 88–107

KTB Speed and Rating

KTB Speed

Best recent Speed 106 the best of the last 3 graded (A or B) runs · Leicester, 18 Nov 2024

How fast the horse ran, as points against the day-corrected standard time for its course and distance: 100 is the median GB Class 4 handicap winner on that code; one point is 0.1% of the standard time. A, B or C is how much the day's card could tell us, not how good the run was. What this means →

Jumps 12 figures · best 117A · median 78.5
GoingRunsBestMedianSince 18 Oct 2025
Soft486C65.51 · —
Good to Soft3117A106—
Good398C86—
Good to Firm1———
Heavy1———
DistanceRunsBestMedianSince 18 Oct 2025
2m1f – 2m4f7106A861 · —
1m5f – 2m3117A69—
2m5f – 3m286C75.5—

Of 15 runs looked at, 3 have no figure: did not complete (2) · obstacles omitted — the race ran a shortened course (1).

KTB Speed v1 · batch 15 Sep 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 12 figures from 15 runs · as at 3 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast

KTB Rating

Best recent KTB Rating 102A the best of the last 3 rated runs · Leicester, 18 Nov 2024 Official rating 88 at the last run, 7 Apr 2026

What the horse achieved in each race, in pounds on the official-rating scale, from the weight carried, the lengths beaten and the race's own level solved across the archive — never the market, never the official rating as a starting point. The headline is the best of the horse's last three rated runs on that code. A, B or C on a run is how much known form was in that race. What this means →

Jumps 13 figures · best 111A · median 99
GoingRunsBestMedianSince 18 Oct 2025
Soft5111A931 · —
Good to Soft3104A103—
Good3106A99—
Good to Firm1———
Heavy1———
DistanceRunsBestMedianSince 18 Oct 2025
2m1f – 2m4f7111A1021 · —
1m5f – 2m4104A98—
2m5f – 3m293C91.5—

Of 15 runs looked at, 2 have no figure: did not complete (or a non-runner row) (2).

KTB Rating v1 · batch 3 Oct 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 13 figures from 15 runs · as at 4 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast

Both figures are KTB's own, computed from the archive; no vendor rating enters either. Every run's figure is on its form line below with its grade. Grades measure how much the archive could see, never the merit of the run.

Pedigree intelligence

Sire
Mount Nelson (GB)

Progeny in our archive have won 9.9% of 6,257 runs since Jan 2008 (538 horses).

GoingRunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
Firm3026.7%−3.2—
Good to Firm6437311.4%+1.50 from 1
Good1,6701509%−0.90 from 4
Good to Soft1,04010910.5%+0.60 from 3
Soft1,2491249.9%00 from 6
Heavy4505111.3%+1.40 from 1
Standard (AW)1,1751139.6%−0.3—
Distance (all codes)RunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
Under 6f9888.2%−1.7—
6f – 7f864859.8%−0.1—
1m – 1m1f678497.2%−2.7—
1m2f – 1m4f1,22214812.1%+2.2—
1m5f – 2m1,5931549.7%−0.20 from 5
2m1f – 2m4f1,1951189.9%00 from 8
2m5f – 3m530529.8%−0.10 from 2
Over 3m77810.4%+0.5—

Flat and jumps together (all codes) · since Jan 2008 · as at 18 Oct 2026 · rows under 30 runs muted · win % is the measure, a record not a forecast

Dam
Martinstown Queen (IRE) (Saddlers' Hall)

2 siblings in the archive, 2 winners — best of them Major Ivan (IRE) (1 win).

The wins came over 2m3f–3m1f; the highest grade won is Class 4 (Major Ivan (IRE)).

ProduceRunsWinsWin tripsBest grade
Major Ivan (IRE)1412m3fClass 4
Monty Guiry (IRE)913m1fClass 4

Record by conditions

GoingRunsWinsSR£1
Soft 6 0 0% −6.00
Good 4 0 0% −4.00
Good to Soft 3 0 0% −3.00
Good to Firm 1 0 0% −1.00
Heavy 1 0 0% −1.00

ClassRunsWinsSR£1
Class 4 5 0 0% −5.00
Class 5 1 0 0% −1.00

CourseRunsWinsSR£1
Leicester 2 0 0% −2.00
Stratford 2 0 0% −2.00
Navan 2 0 0% −2.00
Roscommon 2 0 0% −2.00
Exeter 1 0 0% −1.00
Uttoxeter 1 0 0% −1.00
Sligo 1 0 0% −1.00
Listowel 1 0 0% −1.00
Naas 1 0 0% −1.00
Galway 1 0 0% −1.00
Bellewstown 1 0 0% −1.00

DistanceRunsWinsSR£1
2m1f – 2m4f 8 0 0% −8.00
1m5f – 2m 5 0 0% −5.00
2m5f – 3m 2 0 0% −2.00

JockeyRunsWinsSR£1
Sean Grantham 2 0 0% −2.00
Tabitha Worsley 2 0 0% −2.00
Keith Donoghue 2 0 0% −2.00
Sean Flanagan 2 0 0% −2.00
Alix Balfe 2 0 0% −2.00
Philip Armson 1 0 0% −1.00
Brian Hughes 1 0 0% −1.00
Conor Stone-Walsh 1 0 0% −1.00
Kieren Buckley 1 0 0% −1.00
Mr J Dunne 1 0 0% −1.00

HeadgearRunsWinsSR£1
Cheekpieces 7 0 0% −7.00
None 7 0 0% −7.00
Visor 1 0 0% −1.00

SeasonRunsWinsSR£1
2026 1 0 0% −1.00
2025 1 0 0% −1.00
2024 7 0 0% −7.00
2023 6 0 0% −6.00

TypeRunsWinsSR£1
Hurdle 14 0 0% −14.00
NH Flat 1 0 0% −1.00

Splits include every sample, however small — muted rows are under 3 runs. A one-from-one record is a fact, not a trend: read the Runs column before the strike rate.

Form

DateCourseRace PosBtn Wgt ORSpdKTB Jockey SP
07 Apr 26+100d Exeter Travel Incentive For British Buyers Novices' Selling Hurdle Class 4 · 18.5f · Good · 8 ran Settled close to the pace early - urged forward before the 4th and again after the 5th - lost touch approaching 3 out PU/8 — 11-0 88—— Philip Armson 25/1
28 Dec 25+405d Leicester Carling The UK's Number One Lager Selling Hurdle Class 4 · 20.5f · Soft · 5 ran Settled at back of field - lost touch three out - dropped away steadily to finish well behind 5/5 33 10-4 9022C84C Sean Grantham 25/1
18 Nov 24+42d Leicester Join Racing TV Now Conditional Jockeys' Handicap Hurdle Class 5 · 20.5f · Good To Soft · 10 ran Settled towards midfield early - improved position approaching 3 out - faded turn before the line - finished fifth beaten just over 11 lengths 5/10 4¼ 11-0 96106A102A Sean Grantham 80/1
07 Oct 24+41d Stratford Recycling Association Conditional Jockeys' Handicap Hurdle Class 4 · 22f · Soft · 10 ran Settled at the back early - made no real impression - well held at the finish 6/10 31 11-11 10286C93C Tabitha Worsley 200/1
27 Aug 24+30d Stratford David Charles Rowe 80th Birthday Celebration Novices' Hurdle (GBB Race) Class 4 · 22f · Good To Firm · 5 ran Up with the front group - dropped back after the 6th - off the pace after the 8th - faded from 2 out to finish 4th 4/5 29 10-11 10765C90C Tabitha Worsley 50/1
28 Jul 24+21d Uttoxeter QuinnBet Daily Free Bet Maiden Hurdle (GBB Race) (Div 1) Class 4 · 20f · Good · 13 ran 7/13 10 11-5 10798C95C Brian Hughes 9/1
07 Jul 24+36d Sligo CT Electrical Maiden Hurdle 17.5f · Good To Yielding · 10 ran 4/10 5 11-12 9896A103A Keith Donoghue 7/2
01 Jun 24+46d Listowel John Thomas McNamara Handicap Hurdle (80-102) 20.5f · Good · 18 ran 11/18 nk 11-11 9971C99C Sean Flanagan 7/1
16 Apr 24+121d Naas Daragh Fitzpatrick Bookmakers Handicap Hurdle 16.5f · Soft · 13 ran F/13 — 10-6 99—— Conor Stone-Walsh 5/1
17 Dec 23+28d Navan Buy Your Navan 2024 Membership Now Handicap Hurdle (80-102) 20f · Soft · 16 ran 6/16 5½ 11-11 9962B111A Sean Flanagan 5/1
19 Nov 23+22d Navan Gaeil Colmcille GAA Kells 'Day At The Races' Handicap Hurdle (80-102) 16f · Soft To Heavy · 22 ran 6/22 16 11-4 9969B101A Alix Balfe 20/1
28 Oct 23+33d Galway Connolly's RED MILLS Irish EBF Auction Maiden Hurdle 16.5f · Soft · 9 ran 4/9 6½ 11-2 ——95A Alix Balfe 28/1
25 Sep 23+26d Roscommon Boyle Maiden Hurdle 16f · Soft · 12 ran 9/12 6 11-7 —69C91C Keith Donoghue 12/1
30 Aug 23+22d Bellewstown Connolly's RED MILLS Irish EBF Auction Maiden Hurdle 20.5f · Good · 11 ran 6/11 3¾ 11-5 —86A106A Kieren Buckley 12/1
08 Aug 23 Roscommon Brian Keenan On-Course Bookmaker Flat Race 15.5f · Good To Yielding · 11 ran 4/11 9 11-3 —117A104A Mr J Dunne 16/1

Quick answers

How many races has Upthereforthinking (IRE) won?
Upthereforthinking (IRE) has yet to win, from 15 archived starts between 2023 and 2026.
Who trains Upthereforthinking (IRE)?
Upthereforthinking (IRE) is trained by Jake Thomas Coulson, who saddled the horse on its most recent run on 7 April 2026.
Who is Upthereforthinking (IRE)'s sire?
Upthereforthinking (IRE) is by Mount Nelson (GB) out of Martinstown Queen (IRE), whose sire is Saddlers' Hall.
What is Upthereforthinking (IRE)'s official rating?
The most recent official rating on record is 88, from the run on 7 April 2026. The highest on record is 107.
What is Upthereforthinking (IRE)'s sire's record?
Mount Nelson (GB)'s progeny in our archive have won 9.9% of 6,257 runs since Jan 2008 (538 horses), Flat and jumps together.
Who are Upthereforthinking (IRE)'s siblings?
Out of Martinstown Queen (IRE), Upthereforthinking (IRE) has 2 other produce in our archive, 2 of them winners. Most wins: Major Ivan (IRE) (1). Highest grade won: Class 4 (Major Ivan (IRE)). The wins came over 2m3f–3m1f. As at Oct 2026.

Record shown from August 2023. Our archive holds racing in Great Britain, Ireland and France from January 2005. Runs in other countries are not in it, and earlier runs are not available from our data provider. In-running comments are available from 2024 onward.