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Horse profile

Vedeux (IRE)

9yo horse (at last run, Jul 2020) · Last trainer C Lerner · Last owner Carlos Lerner
by Elusive City (USA) out of Qahatika (FR) (Polish Precedent)
66 runs · 7 courses · from May 2013
As at 15 Oct 2026 · KTB archive: GB, Ireland & France · 2005–present, updated daily
No run recorded since 12 Jul 2020 — 2,285 days ago. Our archive can't say whether the horse is still in training.
Last run Jul 2020 · 9th of 16 6 wins · Chantilly (FR), Maisons-Laffitte (FR) & Deauville (FR)
KTB Profile

Vedeux (IRE) is 6 from 66, including a Group 3 win. The biggest win we hold: the Prix du Bois at Chantilly (FR) (Jun 2013). Hasn't won since Oct 2018.

Based on 66 archived runs · updated 15 Oct 2026

KTB Speed and Rating

KTB Speed

No KTB Speed figures for this horse. The engine scores GB and Irish racing from Oct 2016; runs elsewhere, or earlier, have no figure.

KTB Speed v1 · batch 15 Sep 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 0 figures from 0 runs · a record, not a forecast

KTB Rating

No KTB Rating figures for this horse. The engine scores GB and Irish racing; runs elsewhere, or earlier, have no figure.

KTB Rating v1 · batch 3 Oct 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 0 figures from 0 runs · a record, not a forecast

Both figures are KTB's own, computed from the archive; no vendor rating enters either. Every run's figure is on its form line below with its grade. Grades measure how much the archive could see, never the merit of the run.

Run style is derived from in-running commentary, which our data provider does not supply for this horse's races.

Pedigree intelligence

Sire
Elusive City (USA)

Progeny in our archive have won 9.7% of 8,418 runs since Jan 2008 (636 horses).

Weakest on soft going: 6.4% from 1,121.

GoingRunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
Firm461328.3%+18.6—
Good to Firm90510111.2%+1.5—
Good1,4631278.7%−10 from 14
Good to Soft898728%−1.73 from 8
Soft1,121726.4%−3.30 from 8
Heavy327237%−2.71 from 4
Standard (AW)3,65841211.3%+1.62 from 32
Distance (all codes)RunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
Under 6f99810410.4%+0.72 from 9
6f – 7f4,11743710.6%+0.94 from 55
1m – 1m1f2,2732049%−0.70 from 2
1m2f – 1m4f688527.6%−2.1—
1m5f – 2m210157.1%−2.6—
2m1f – 2m4f9766.2%−3.5—
2m5f – 3m3326.1%−3.6—
Over 3m200%−9.7—

Flat and jumps together (all codes) · since Jan 2008 · as at 14 Oct 2026 · rows under 30 runs muted · win % is the measure, a record not a forecast

Dam
Qahatika (FR) (Polish Precedent)

5 siblings in the archive, 0 winners.

ProduceRunsWinsWin tripsBest grade
Queen Lyric (FR)20——
Run To You (FR)20——
La Magicienne (IRE)100——
Tortoni (FR)40——
Moustache (FR)10——

Record by conditions

GoingRunsWinsSR£1
Standard (AW) 32 2 6% −18.80
Good 14 0 0% −14.00
Soft 8 0 0% −8.00
Good to Soft 8 3 38% +20.80
Heavy 4 1 25% +3.20

CourseRunsWinsSR£1
Deauville (FR) 23 2 9% −9.80
Chantilly (FR) 20 2 10% +1.20
Maisons-Laffitte (FR) 16 2 13% −1.20
Longchamp (FR) 4 0 0% −4.00
Dieppe (FR) 1 0 0% −1.00
Vichy (FR) 1 0 0% −1.00
Fontainebleau (FR) 1 0 0% −1.00

DistanceRunsWinsSR£1
6f – 7f 55 4 7% −21.00
Under 6f 9 2 22% +6.20
1m – 1m1f 2 0 0% −2.00

JockeyRunsWinsSR£1
Cristian Demuro 12 3 25% +18.50
Thierry Thulliez 11 0 0% −11.00
Marc Lerner 8 2 25% +7.20
Christophe Soumillon 7 0 0% −7.00
Fabrice Veron 5 0 0% −5.00
Tony Piccone 4 1 25% −0.50
Vincent Cheminaud 3 0 0% −3.00
Eddy Hardouin 2 0 0% −2.00
Mohammed Tabti 2 0 0% −2.00
Mme Frida Valle Skar 2 0 0% −2.00
Ioritz Mendizabal 1 0 0% −1.00
Alexis Pouchin 1 0 0% −1.00
Sebastien Maillot 1 0 0% −1.00
Olivier Peslier 1 0 0% −1.00
Stephane Pasquier 1 0 0% −1.00
Delphine Santiago 1 0 0% −1.00
Emmanuel Etienne 1 0 0% −1.00
Antoine Hamelin 1 0 0% −1.00
Mr E Monfort 1 0 0% −1.00
Valentin Seguy 1 0 0% −1.00

HeadgearRunsWinsSR£1
Cheekpieces 42 3 7% −11.50
None 23 3 13% −4.30
Blinkers 1 0 0% −1.00

SeasonRunsWinsSR£1
2020 7 0 0% −7.00
2019 10 0 0% −10.00
2018 11 2 18% +9.80
2017 9 1 11% +0.70
2016 9 0 0% −9.00
2015 10 1 10% −6.50
2014 6 0 0% −6.00
2013 4 2 50% +11.20

Splits include every sample, however small — muted rows are under 3 runs. A one-from-one record is a fact, not a trend: read the Runs column before the strike rate.

Form

DateCourseRace PosBtn Wgt Jockey SP
12 Jul 20+26d Deauville (FR) Qatar Prix de la Place Morny (Handicap) (4yo+) (Straight Course) (Turf) 6f · Good · 16 ran 9/16 hd 8-5 Ioritz Mendizabal 18/1
16 Jun 20+20d Dieppe (FR) Prix de la Region Normandie (Handicap) (4yo+) (Turf) 5.5f · Very Soft · 16 ran 12/16 ¾ 8-8 Alexis Pouchin 24/1
27 May 20+14d Vichy (FR) Prix d'Orry (Handicap) (4yo+) (Turf) 5f · Soft · 16 ran 9/16 nk 8-6 Eddy Hardouin 17/1
13 May 20+78d Chantilly (FR) Prix de Roissy (Handicap) (4yo+) (Turf) 6f · Good To Soft · 18 ran 5/18 hd 8-6 Eddy Hardouin 19/1
25 Feb 20+26d Chantilly (FR) Prix de l'Allee des Philosophes (Handicap) (4yo+) (All-Weather Track) (Polytrack) 6.5f · Standard · 16 ran 9/16 1¼ 8-8 Sebastien Maillot 19/1
30 Jan 20+22d Chantilly (FR) Prix de Nointel (Handicap) (5yo+) (All-Weather Track) (Polytrack) 6.5f · Standard · 16 ran 7/16 hd 9-6 Mohammed Tabti 13/1
08 Jan 20+38d Chantilly (FR) Prix de la Maison de Sylvie (Handicap) (4yo+) (All-Weather Track) (Polytrack) 6.5f · Standard · 16 ran 4/16 hd 8-11 Vincent Cheminaud 11/1
01 Dec 19+33d Deauville (FR) Prix d'Utah Beach (Handicap) (4yo+) (All-Weather Track) (Polytrack) 6.5f · Standard · 16 ran 5/16 hd 8-11 Vincent Cheminaud 18/1
29 Oct 19+17d Maisons-Laffitte (FR) Prix du Pavillon des Gardes (Handicap) (4yo+) (Turf) 6f · Heavy · 13 ran 5/13 1¼ 8-10 Mohammed Tabti 30/1
12 Oct 19+26d Maisons-Laffitte (FR) Prix de la Ville de Maisons-Laffitte (Handicap) (3yo+) (Turf) 6f · Very Soft · 16 ran 9/16 hd 9-0 Cristian Demuro 18/1
16 Sep 19+19d Maisons-Laffitte (FR) Prix des Aunettes (Handicap) (3yo+) (Turf) 6f · Good · 16 ran 9/16 2 8-13 Christophe Soumillon 9/1
28 Aug 19+24d Deauville (FR) Prix du Bocage Normand (Handicap) (4yo+) (All-Weather Track) (Polytrack) 6.5f · Standard · 15 ran 6/15 1½ 9-1 Olivier Peslier 15/1
04 Aug 19+75d Deauville (FR) Prix Hipodromo de Chile (Handicap) (5yo+) (All-Weather Track) (Polytrack) 6.5f · Standard · 14 ran 8/14 nse 9-4 Cristian Demuro 81/10
21 May 19+23d Maisons-Laffitte (FR) Prix de Newmarket (Handicap) (4yo+) (Turf) 6f · Very Soft · 17 ran 5/17 hd 9-1 Fabrice Veron 22/1
28 Apr 19+34d Longchamp (FR) Grand Handicap du Toboggan de Longchamp (4yo+) (Turf) 7f · Good To Soft · 18 ran 9/18 hd 8-8 Stephane Pasquier 10/1
25 Mar 19+13d Chantilly (FR) Prix du Massif des Trois Forets (Handicap) (5yo+) (All-Weather Track) (Polytrack) 6.5f · Standard · 16 ran 3/16 nse 9-5 Vincent Cheminaud 23/1
12 Mar 19+79d Chantilly (FR) Prix du Bat l'Eau (Conditions) (4yo+) (All-Weather Track) (Polytrack) 6.5f · Standard · 9 ran 5/9 ¾ 8-11 Mme Frida Valle Skar 27/1
23 Dec 18+22d Deauville (FR) Prix de Breuil (Handicap) (4yo+) (All-Weather Track) (Polytrack) 6.5f · Standard · 16 ran 8/16 hd 9-6 Mme Frida Valle Skar 40/1
01 Dec 18+46d Deauville (FR) Prix d'Utah Beach (Handicap) (4yo+) (All-Weather Track) (Polytrack) 6.5f · Standard · 16 ran 8/16 ¾ 9-8 Christophe Soumillon 49/10
16 Oct 18+29d Chantilly (FR) Prix de la Borne Blanche (Handicap) (3yo+) (Turf) 6f · Good To Soft · 17 ran 1/17 9-5 Cristian Demuro 122/10
17 Sep 18+19d Maisons-Laffitte (FR) Prix Du Moulin De Maisons-laffitte (Handicap) (3yo+) (Turf) 6f · Good To Soft · 14 ran 1/14 9-4 Cristian Demuro 66/10
29 Aug 18+24d Deauville (FR) Prix des Cotes de Normandie (Handicap) (4yo+) (Polytrack) 6.5f · Standard · 16 ran 3/16 hd 9-6 Cristian Demuro 5/1F
05 Aug 18+33d Deauville (FR) Prix du Haras de la Pomme (Handicap) (5yo+) (Polytrack) 6.5f · Standard · 16 ran 7/16 ¾ 8-7 Cristian Demuro 67/10
03 Jul 18+61d Deauville (FR) Prix de Saint-Benoit-d'Hebertot (Conditions) (4yo+) (Polytrack) 6.5f · Standard · 15 ran 2/15 ½ 8-11 Christophe Soumillon 29/10F
03 May 18+76d Longchamp (FR) Prix De Glatigny (Handicap) (4yo+) (Turf) 7f · Good To Soft · 14 ran 3/14 1¾ 9-1 Cristian Demuro 12/1
16 Feb 18+21d Chantilly (FR) Prix du Chemin Royal (Handicap) (5yo+) (Polytrack) 7f · Standard · 17 ran 11/17 nse 9-8 Fabrice Veron 24/1
26 Jan 18+20d Chantilly (FR) Prix de la Route Caroline (Handicap) (5yo+) (Polytrack) 7f · Standard · 17 ran 16/17 5½ 9-6 Delphine Santiago 29/1
06 Jan 18+21d Chantilly (FR) Prix de Nointel (Handicap) (5yo+) (Polytrack) 6.5f · Standard · 14 ran 13/14 12 9-11 Fabrice Veron 11/1
16 Dec 17+77d Deauville (FR) Prix de Breuil (Handicap) (4yo+) (Polytrack) 6.5f · Standard · 16 ran 13/16 1½ 9-10 Fabrice Veron 9/1
30 Sep 17+31d Chantilly (FR) Qatar Grand Handicap des Milers (4yo+) (Polytrack) 8f · Standard · 16 ran 11/16 hd 8-6 Cristian Demuro 195/10
30 Aug 17+24d Deauville (FR) Prix du Journal le Pays d'Auge (Prix du Bocage Normand) (Handicap) (4yo+) (Polytrack) 6.5f · Fast · 16 ran 1/16 8-5 Cristian Demuro 87/10
06 Aug 17+39d Deauville (FR) Prix du Haras Viejo Molino - Uruguay (Handicap) (5yo+) (Polytrack) 6.5f · Standard · 16 ran 3/16 ¾ 8-4 Cristian Demuro 111/10
28 Jun 17+31d Maisons-Laffitte (FR) Prix de la Foret de Marly (Handicap) (4yo+) (Turf) 6f · Good · 16 ran 8/16 hd 9-6 Cristian Demuro 7/1
28 May 17+18d Chantilly (FR) Prix du Musee Vivant du Cheval (Handicap) (4yo+) (Turf) 6f · Good · 15 ran 6/15 nse 8-8 Cristian Demuro 7/1
10 May 17+22d Chantilly (FR) Prix du Bourget (Handicap) (4yo+) (Turf) 5.5f · Good To Soft · 17 ran 4/17 1¼ 9-3 Christophe Soumillon 14/5F
18 Apr 17+101d Maisons-Laffitte (FR) Prix du Clos de Chalais (Handicap) (4yo+) (Turf) 6f · Good · 17 ran 3/17 hd 9-3 Christophe Soumillon 56/10F
07 Jan 17+19d Deauville (FR) Prix de l'Aure (Handicap) (5yo+) (Polytrack) 6.5f · Standard · 15 ran 3/15 hd 9-5 Fabrice Veron 59/10
19 Dec 16+53d Deauville (FR) Prix de la Suisse Normande (Handicap) (3yo+) (Polytrack) 6.5f · Standard · 16 ran 6/16 1 8-10 Thierry Thulliez 14/1
27 Oct 16+45d Maisons-Laffitte (FR) Prix du Rey (Handicap) (4yo+) (Turf) 6f · Soft · 16 ran 15/16 ½ 9-2 Thierry Thulliez 39/1
12 Sep 16+23d Maisons-Laffitte (FR) Prix des Aunettes (Handicap) (3yo ) (Turf) 6f · Good · 16 ran 15/16 2½ 9-1 Thierry Thulliez 43/5
20 Aug 16+27d Deauville (FR) Agence Martinez Grand Handicap des Sprinters (Handicap) (3yo+) (Turf) 5f · Good · 14 ran 9/14 hd 8-13 Thierry Thulliez 39/10F
24 Jul 16+25d Maisons-Laffitte (FR) Prix Albine (Handicap) (4yo+) (Turf) 6f · Good · 14 ran 5/14 ½ 9-2 Thierry Thulliez 11/2
29 Jun 16+51d Maisons-Laffitte (FR) Prix de la Foret de Saint-Germain (Handicap) (4yo+) (Turf) 6f · Good · 18 ran 3/18 1 9-2 Thierry Thulliez 71/10
09 May 16+20d Chantilly (FR) Prix de Roissy (Handicap) (4yo+) (Turf) 5.5f · Good · 16 ran 2/16 nse 9-5 Thierry Thulliez 11/1
19 Apr 16+102d Maisons-Laffitte (FR) Prix du Haras Royal de Meudon (Handicap) (4yo+) (Turf) 6f · Soft · 18 ran 16/18 hd 9-1 Thierry Thulliez 15/1
08 Jan 16+22d Deauville (FR) Prix de la Baie de Seine (Handicap) (4yo+) (Polytrack) 6.5f · Standard · 16 ran 5/16 hd 9-5 Thierry Thulliez 56/10
17 Dec 15+56d Deauville (FR) Prix de Breuil (Handicap) (4yo+) (Polytrack) 6.5f · Standard · 16 ran 16/16 8 9-10 Emmanuel Etienne 7/1
22 Oct 15+36d Deauville (FR) Prix de la Motteraye (Conditions) (4yo+) (Polytrack) 6.5f · Standard · 11 ran 4/11 ¾ 9-0 Christophe Soumillon 19/5F
16 Sep 15+36d Fontainebleau (FR) Prix du Rocher Cassepot (Conditions) (4yo+) (Turf) 6f · Very Soft · 6 ran 2/6 1½ 8-13 Antoine Hamelin 9/2
11 Aug 15+43d Deauville (FR) Prix de Colombelles (Conditions) (4yo+) (Polytrack) 6.5f · Standard · 13 ran 3/13 hd 8-13 Christophe Soumillon 57/10
29 Jun 15+11d Chantilly (FR) Prix Aly Khan (Conditions) (4yo+) (Gentlemen Riders) (Turf) 6f · Good · 8 ran 4/8 1¼ 10-6 Mr E Monfort 33/10
18 Jun 15+47d Longchamp (FR) Prix du Quai aux Fleurs (Conditions) (4yo+) (Turf) 7f · Good · 8 ran 5/8 1 9-2 Thierry Thulliez 182/10
02 May 15+26d Chantilly (FR) Prix du Parc de Valliere (Conditions) (4yo+) (Polytrack) 7f · Standard · 14 ran 11/14 nk 8-13 Tony Piccone 9/1
06 Apr 15+34d Longchamp (FR) Prix du Gros Caillou (Conditions) (4yo+) (Turf) 7f · Heavy · 13 ran 13/13 1¾ 8-13 Tony Piccone 59/10
03 Mar 15+52d Chantilly (FR) Prix Anabaa (Conditions) (3yo+) (Polytrack) 6.5f · Standard · 7 ran 2/7 shd 9-2 Tony Piccone 93/10
10 Jan 15+24d Deauville (FR) Prix de la Breche au Diable (Conditions) (4yo+) (Polytrack) 7.5f · Standard · 8 ran 1/8 9-0 Tony Piccone 5/2
17 Dec 14+15d Deauville (FR) Prix de Roiville (Conditions) (3yo) (Apprentices & Young Jockeys))(Polytrack) 7.5f · Standard · 11 ran 2/11 hd 8-13 Valentin Seguy 11/5F
02 Dec 14+32d Deauville (FR) Prix de la Pigeonniere (Conditions) (3yo) (Polytrack) 6.5f · Standard · 11 ran 3/11 1¾ 9-0 Marc Lerner 44/1
31 Oct 14+20d Chantilly (FR) Prix de Montleveque (Conditions) (3yo) (Polytrack) 8f · Standard · 9 ran 9/9 1½ 9-0 Thierry Thulliez 45/1
11 Oct 14+152d Maisons-Laffitte (FR) Prix Gris Perle (Prix du Carrefour et du Centre Commercial Montesson) (Conditions) (3yo) (Turf) 6f · Heavy · 6 ran 6/6 2½ 9-0 Marc Lerner 109/10
12 May 14+26d Maisons-Laffitte (FR) Prix Texanita () (3yo) (Turf) 5.5f · Very Soft · 10 ran 10/10 1 8-11 Marc Lerner 134/10
16 Apr 14+241d Chantilly (FR) Prix Sigy () (3yo) (Turf) 6f · Good · 10 ran 8/10 1 8-11 Marc Lerner 58/10
18 Aug 13+28d Deauville (FR) Darley Prix Morny (2yo Colts & Fillies) (Turf) 6f · Good To Soft · 10 ran 10/10 1 9-0 Marc Lerner 16/1
21 Jul 13+21d Maisons-Laffitte (FR) Prix Robert Papin (2yo Colts & Fillies) (Turf) 5.5f · Good · 9 ran 3/9 hd 9-2 Marc Lerner 7/2
30 Jun 13+30d Chantilly (FR) Prix du Bois (2yo) (Turf) 5f · Good To Soft · 8 ran 1/8 8-11 Marc Lerner 7/1
31 May 13 Maisons-Laffitte (FR) Prix Hunyade (Maiden) (Unraced 2yo) (Turf) 5f · Heavy · 10 ran 1/10 9-2 Marc Lerner 31/5

Quick answers

How many races has Vedeux (IRE) won?
Vedeux (IRE) won 6 of 66 archived starts between 2013 and 2020, a strike rate of 9.1%. Placed 23 times in total (34.8% of starts).
Who trained Vedeux (IRE)?
Vedeux (IRE) was trained by C Lerner on the most recent run on record, at Deauville (FR) on 12 July 2020.
Who is Vedeux (IRE)'s sire?
Vedeux (IRE) is by Elusive City (USA) out of Qahatika (FR), whose sire is Polish Precedent.
What going does Vedeux (IRE) prefer?
Vedeux (IRE) has the best record on good to soft going: 3 wins from 8 starts (37.5%). Only going bands with at least three archived starts are read, so this is a direction rather than a settled preference.
What is Vedeux (IRE)'s sire's record?
Elusive City (USA)'s progeny in our archive have won 9.7% of 8,418 runs since Jan 2008 (636 horses), Flat and jumps together. Weakest on soft going: 6.4% from 1,121.
Who are Vedeux (IRE)'s siblings?
Out of Qahatika (FR), Vedeux (IRE) has 5 other produce in our archive, 0 of them winners. As at Oct 2026.

Record shown from May 2013. Our archive holds racing in Great Britain, Ireland and France from January 2005. Runs in other countries are not in it, and earlier runs are not available from our data provider. In-running comments are available from 2024 onward.