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Whenthepennydrops (GB)

7yo mare (at last run, May 2023) · Last trainer Dan Skelton · Last owner Noel Fehily Racing Syndicates Whenthep
by Kayf Tara (GB) out of Subtilty (GB) (With Approval)
9 runs · 7 courses · from Feb 2021
As at 6 Nov 2026 · KTB archive: GB, Ireland & France · 2005–present, updated daily
No run recorded since 26 May 2023 — 1,259 days ago. Our archive can't say whether the horse is still in training.
Last run May 2023 · 3rd of 11 Last raced off OR 85
KTB Profile

Whenthepennydrops is a Kayf Tara mare who has yet to win from nine starts on turf, though she has placed twice. She reached a best of third of 11 in a Class 5 mares handicap hurdle at Worcester in May 2023. That effort came off an official rating of 85, 10 lb below her highest ever mark of 95. All her racing has been between 1m5f and over 3m, mostly on good to soft or softer ground.

Based on 9 archived runs · updated 6 Nov 2026
KTB at a glance OR ↓ 10lb off peak
Official rating85↓ 10lb off peak
85 85–95

KTB Speed and Rating

KTB Speed

Best recent Speed 117 the best of the last 3 graded (A or B) runs · Fontwell, 8 Mar 2023

How fast the horse ran, as points against the day-corrected standard time for its course and distance: 100 is the median GB Class 4 handicap winner on that code; one point is 0.1% of the standard time. A, B or C is how much the day's card could tell us, not how good the run was. What this means →

Jumps 7 figures · best 132C · median 104
GoingRunsBestMedianSince 6 Nov 2025
Soft3117B71—
Good2106B105—
Good to Soft2132C118—
DistanceRunsBestMedianSince 6 Nov 2025
1m5f – 2m3104A71—
2m1f – 2m4f2132C119—
2m5f – 3m1———
Over 3m1———

Of 9 runs looked at, 2 have no figure: did not complete (1) · obstacles omitted — the race ran a shortened course (1).

KTB Speed v1 · batch 15 Sep 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 7 figures from 9 runs · as at 3 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast

KTB Rating

Best recent KTB Rating 110A the best of the last 3 rated runs · Worcester, 26 May 2023 Official rating 85 at the last run, 26 May 2023

What the horse achieved in each race, in pounds on the official-rating scale, from the weight carried, the lengths beaten and the race's own level solved across the archive — never the market, never the official rating as a starting point. The headline is the best of the horse's last three rated runs on that code — its best recent day. The KTB Rating on a racecard is a different reading of the same figures: the level the horse has been running to, an average of up to its last six runs with the latest counting most, so the two can differ. A, B or C on a run is how much known form was in that race. What this means →

Jumps 8 figures · best 111A · median 97.5
GoingRunsBestMedianSince 6 Nov 2025
Good to Soft3103A92—
Soft3111A89—
Good2110A107—
DistanceRunsBestMedianSince 6 Nov 2025
1m5f – 2m4111A96.5—
2m1f – 2m4f2110A101—
2m5f – 3m1———
Over 3m1———

Of 9 runs looked at, 1 has no figure: did not complete (or a non-runner row) (1).

KTB Rating v1 · batch 3 Oct 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 8 figures from 9 runs · as at 4 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast

Both figures are KTB's own, computed from the archive; no vendor rating enters either. Every run's figure is on its form line below with its grade. Grades measure how much the archive could see, never the merit of the run.

Run style is derived from in-running commentary, which our data provider does not supply for this horse's races.

Pedigree intelligence

Sire
Kayf Tara (GB)

Progeny in our archive have won 12.6% of 13,756 runs since Jan 2008 (1,148 horses).

Strongest on heavy going: 16.2% from 1,708.

GoingRunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
Firm1300%−12.6—
Good to Firm5296011.3%−1.3—
Good4,49952511.7%−0.90 from 2
Good to Soft3,05435911.8%−0.80 from 4
Soft3,76049313.1%+0.50 from 3
Heavy1,70827716.2%+3.6—
Standard (AW)1932412.4%−0.2—
Distance (all codes)RunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
6f – 7f200%−12.6—
1m – 1m1f2400%−12.6—
1m2f – 1m4f1631811%−1.6—
1m5f – 2m3,97952213.1%+0.50 from 4
2m1f – 2m4f4,76659312.4%−0.20 from 3
2m5f – 3m3,81847912.5%−0.10 from 1
Over 3m1,00412612.5%−0.10 from 1

Flat and jumps together (all codes) · since Jan 2008 · as at 5 Nov 2026 · rows under 30 runs muted · win % is the measure, a record not a forecast

Dam
Subtilty (GB) (With Approval)

5 siblings in the archive, 2 winners — best of them Makin'yourmindup (GB) (5 wins).

The wins came over 2m3½f–3m1f; the highest grade won is Grade 2 (Makin'yourmindup (GB)).

ProduceRunsWinsWin tripsBest grade
Makin'yourmindup (GB)1452m3½f–3m½fGrade 2
Subtle Fortune (GB)1022m6f–3m1fClass 4
Master Card (GB)80——
Julia Stardust (GB)40——
Get Busy Livin (GB)10——

Record by conditions

GoingRunsWinsSR£1
Good to Soft 4 0 0% −4.00
Soft 3 0 0% −3.00
Good 2 0 0% −2.00

ClassRunsWinsSR£1
Class 5 5 0 0% −5.00
Class 4 4 0 0% −4.00

CourseRunsWinsSR£1
Southwell 2 0 0% −2.00
Bangor-on-Dee 2 0 0% −2.00
Worcester 1 0 0% −1.00
Ludlow 1 0 0% −1.00
Fontwell 1 0 0% −1.00
Chepstow 1 0 0% −1.00
Ascot 1 0 0% −1.00

DistanceRunsWinsSR£1
1m5f – 2m 4 0 0% −4.00
2m1f – 2m4f 3 0 0% −3.00
2m5f – 3m 1 0 0% −1.00
Over 3m 1 0 0% −1.00

JockeyRunsWinsSR£1
Harry Skelton 4 0 0% −4.00
Tristan Durrell 2 0 0% −2.00
Bridget Andrews 2 0 0% −2.00
Tom Scudamore 1 0 0% −1.00

HeadgearRunsWinsSR£1
None 6 0 0% −6.00
Cheekpieces 3 0 0% −3.00

SeasonRunsWinsSR£1
2023 5 0 0% −5.00
2022 1 0 0% −1.00
2021 3 0 0% −3.00

TypeRunsWinsSR£1
Hurdle 8 0 0% −8.00
NH Flat 1 0 0% −1.00

Splits include every sample, however small — muted rows are under 3 runs. A one-from-one record is a fact, not a trend: read the Runs column before the strike rate.

Form

DateCourseRace PosBtn Wgt ORSpdKTB Jockey SP
2023 · 5 runs
26 May 23+30d Worcester FBC Manby Bowdler Mares' Handicap Hurdle Class 5 · 2m4f · Good · 11 ran 3/11 ½ 10-12 85106B110A Tristan Durrell 4/1
26 Apr 23+14d Ludlow Phillip Matthews Memorial Mares' Novices' Handicap Hurdle (Div 1) Class 5 · 2m5f · Good To Soft · 12 ran 3/12 4 10-9 86104A103A Tristan Durrell 11/2
12 Apr 23+35d Southwell Off The Fence On youtube.com/attheraces Handicap Hurdle Class 5 · 2m4½f · Good To Soft · 14 ran F/14 — 11-0 86—— Harry Skelton 11/2
08 Mar 23+26d Fontwell Weatherbys nhstallions.co.uk Mares' Handicap Hurdle Class 5 · 3m2f · Soft · 6 ran 5/6 4¼ 11-4 90117B87B Harry Skelton 6/1
10 Feb 23+84d Bangor-on-Dee Morogowsky Family Mares' Novices' Handicap Hurdle Class 5 · 2m3½f · Good To Soft · 9 ran 7/9 2¼ 11-10 95132C92C Bridget Andrews 28/1
2022 · 1 run
18 Nov 22+353d Chepstow TVS Supply Chain Solutions Novices' Hurdle (GBB Race) Class 4 · 2m · Good To Soft · 15 ran 11/15 nse 10-7 ——84C Bridget Andrews 16/1
2021 · 3 runs
30 Nov 21+20d Southwell Evanis A Legend, Wiguagain Duck Maiden Hurdle (GBB Race) (Div 1) Class 4 · 2m · Good · 10 ran 4/10 2¾ 10-11 —104A104A Harry Skelton 16/1
10 Nov 21+263d Bangor-on-Dee Paul Ferguson's Jumpers To Follow 'National Hunt' Auction Maiden Hurdle (GBB Race) Class 4 · 2m½f · Soft · 11 ran 6/11 2¼ 10-11 —64C89C Harry Skelton 9/2
20 Feb 21 Ascot Dingley's Promise British EBF Mares' Standard Open NH Flat Race (GBB Race) Class 4 · 1m7½f · Soft · 8 ran 5/8 1¾ 11-2 —71A111A Tom Scudamore 40/1

Quick answers

How many races has Whenthepennydrops won?
Whenthepennydrops (GB) has yet to win, from 9 archived starts between 2021 and 2023. Placed 2 times in total (22.2% of starts).
Who trained Whenthepennydrops?
Whenthepennydrops (GB) was trained by Dan Skelton on the most recent run on record, at Worcester on 26 May 2023.
Who is Whenthepennydrops's sire?
Whenthepennydrops (GB) is by Kayf Tara (GB) out of Subtilty (GB), whose sire is With Approval.
What is Whenthepennydrops's official rating?
The most recent official rating on record is 85, from the run on 26 May 2023. The highest on record is 95.
What is Whenthepennydrops's sire's record?
Kayf Tara (GB)'s progeny in our archive have won 12.6% of 13,756 runs since Jan 2008 (1,148 horses), Flat and jumps together. Strongest on heavy going: 16.2% from 1,708.
Who are Whenthepennydrops's siblings?
Out of Subtilty (GB), Whenthepennydrops (GB) has 5 other produce in our archive, 2 of them winners. Most wins: Makin'yourmindup (GB) (5). Highest grade won: Grade 2 (Makin'yourmindup (GB)). The wins came over 2m3½f–3m1f. As at Nov 2026.

Record shown from February 2021. Our archive holds racing in Great Britain, Ireland and France from January 2005. Any runs before that, or in other countries, are not in it. In-running comments are available from 2024 onward.