Why Not Thistle (IRE)
Why Not Thistle (IRE) is 1 from 9. Hasn't won since Mar 2015. Last raced off a career-high mark of 111.
Progeny in our archive
As a dam, Why Not Thistle (IRE) has 3 produce in the archive, 1 winner — most wins Double Pink (IRE) (2 wins).
The wins came over 2m–2m4f.
| Produce | Runs | Wins | Win trips | Best grade |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Double Pink (IRE) | 11 | 2 | 2m–2m4f | — |
| Charity Barnum (IRE) | 14 | 0 | — | — |
| Aeropress (IRE) | 1 | 0 | — | — |
- 1–9Wins / Runs
- 11.1%Strike rate
- 4 (44.4%)Placed
- −5.50£1 level staken=9 at SP
- 1.08Fair A/E n=9 · 0.80 incl. margin
- 111Highest OR
- 56dAvg between runs
A/E compares actual wins with what starting prices implied. "Fair" strips the bookmaker margin from the expectation, so favourites and longshots are judged on the same footing — figures near 1.00 mean the market priced this horse about right.
KTB Speed and Rating
No KTB Speed figures for this horse. The engine scores GB and Irish racing from Oct 2016; runs elsewhere, or earlier, have no figure.
KTB Speed v1 · batch 15 Sep 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 0 figures from 0 runs · a record, not a forecast
Both figures are KTB's own, computed from the archive; no vendor rating enters either. Every run's figure is on its form line below with its grade. Grades measure how much the archive could see, never the merit of the run.
Run style is derived from in-running commentary, which our data provider does not supply for this horse's races.
Pedigree intelligence
Progeny in our archive have won 11.9% of 17,274 runs since Jan 2008 (1,594 horses).
| Going | Runs | Wins | SR | vs sire | This horse |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Firm | 38 | 0 | 0% | −11.9 | — |
| Good to Firm | 522 | 50 | 9.6% | −2.3 | — |
| Good | 4,051 | 441 | 10.9% | −1 | — |
| Good to Soft | 2,931 | 354 | 12.1% | +0.2 | — |
| Soft | 5,876 | 751 | 12.8% | +0.9 | 0 from 4 |
| Heavy | 3,814 | 449 | 11.8% | −0.1 | 1 from 5 |
| Standard (AW) | 42 | 2 | 4.8% | −7.1 | — |
| Distance (all codes) | Runs | Wins | SR | vs sire | This horse |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1m – 1m1f | 2 | 0 | 0% | −11.9 | — |
| 1m2f – 1m4f | 25 | 1 | 4% | −7.9 | — |
| 1m5f – 2m | 4,484 | 547 | 12.2% | +0.3 | 0 from 3 |
| 2m1f – 2m4f | 6,077 | 724 | 11.9% | 0 | 1 from 5 |
| 2m5f – 3m | 5,254 | 622 | 11.8% | −0.1 | 0 from 1 |
| Over 3m | 1,432 | 153 | 10.7% | −1.2 | — |
Flat and jumps together (all codes) · since Jan 2008 · as at 22 Oct 2026 · rows under 30 runs muted · win % is the measure, a record not a forecast
11 siblings in the archive, 5 winners — best of them Irish Thistle (IRE) (4 wins).
The wins came over 1m7½f–3m1½f; the highest grade won is Class 3 (Irish Thistle (IRE)).
| Produce | Runs | Wins | Win trips | Best grade |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Irish Thistle (IRE) | 65 | 4 | 1m7½f–2m4f | Class 3 |
| Aengus (IRE) | 38 | 4 | 2m2f–3m1½f | Class 4 |
| Noble Robin (IRE) | 5 | 2 | 2m3½f–2m4f | Class 4 |
| Thistle Be The One (IRE) | 11 | 1 | 2m | Class 3 |
| That'll Be Oxo (IRE) | 2 | 1 | 2m | Class 5 |
| Master Templar (IRE) | 12 | 0 | — | — |
| Barney Stinson (IRE) | 17 | 0 | — | — |
| Littlemissthistle (IRE) | 3 | 0 | — | — |
| Ted Thistle (IRE) | 2 | 0 | — | — |
| Which Robin (IRE) | 1 | 0 | — | — |
| Millford Hill (IRE) | 6 | 0 | — | — |
Record by conditions
| Going | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Heavy | 5 | 1 | 20% | −1.50 |
| Soft | 4 | 0 | 0% | −4.00 |
| Course | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Punchestown | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Cork | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Limerick | 1 | 1 | 100% | +2.50 |
| Fairyhouse | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Clonmel | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Wexford | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Thurles | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Leopardstown | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Distance | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2m1f – 2m4f | 5 | 1 | 20% | −1.50 |
| 1m5f – 2m | 3 | 0 | 0% | −3.00 |
| 2m5f – 3m | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Jockey | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Davy Russell | 4 | 1 | 25% | −0.50 |
| Jonathan Burke | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Stephen Gray | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Mr Derek O'Connor | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Paul Townend | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Season | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2015 | 4 | 1 | 25% | −0.50 |
| 2014 | 5 | 0 | 0% | −5.00 |
| Type | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Hurdle | 7 | 1 | 14% | −3.50 |
| NH Flat | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
Splits include every sample, however small — muted rows are under 3 runs. A one-from-one record is a fact, not a trend: read the Runs column before the strike rate.
Form
| Date | Course | Race | Pos | Btn | Wgt | OR | KTB | Jockey | SP |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 05 Apr 15+22d | Cork | Easter Handicap Hurdle (0-140) (grade C) | 3/17 | 2½ | 9-11 | 111 | 123A | Stephen Gray | 14/1 |
| 14 Mar 15+24d | Limerick | 19 Punters Pack Mares Maiden Hurdle | 1/18 | 11-7 | — | 126A | Davy Russell | 5/2J | |
| 18 Feb 15+18d | Punchestown | Festival Any Day Flexi Ticket Mares Maiden Hurdle | 2/18 | 4¾ | 10-13 | — | 117A | Davy Russell | 3/1 |
| 31 Jan 15+79d | Fairyhouse | Solerina Mares Novice Hurdle (Grade 3) | 4/9 | 27 | 10-13 | — | 110C | Davy Russell | 66/1 |
| 13 Nov 14+241d | Clonmel | I.n.h. Stallion Owners E.B.F. Maiden Hurdle | 5/12 | 1½ | 10-8 | — | 101A | Jonathan Burke | 8/1 |
| 17 Mar 14+18d | Wexford | Notnowcato At Knockhouse Stud Mares (Pro/Am) Flat Race | 5/15 | nk | 11-1 | — | 112A | Jonathan Burke | 6/1 |
| 27 Feb 14+33d | Thurles | Horse And Jockey Mares Flat Race | 3/15 | nk | 11-8 | — | 118A | Mr Derek O'Connor | 7/1 |
| 25 Jan 14+14d | Leopardstown | leopardstown.com Mares Maiden Hurdle | 6/19 | nk | 11-5 | — | 119A | Paul Townend | 7/2 |
| 11 Jan 14 | Punchestown | David Trundley Artist At Punchestown Mares Maiden Hurdle | 4/12 | 1½ | 11-5 | — | 119A | Davy Russell | 33/1 |
Quick answers
- How many races has Why Not Thistle (IRE) won?
- Why Not Thistle (IRE) won 1 of 9 archived starts between 2014 and 2015, a strike rate of 11.1%. Placed 4 times in total (44.4% of starts).
- Who trained Why Not Thistle (IRE)?
- Why Not Thistle (IRE) was trained by Daniel G Murphy on the most recent run on record, at Cork on 5 April 2015.
- Who is Why Not Thistle (IRE)'s sire?
- Why Not Thistle (IRE) is by Flemensfirth (USA) out of Which Thistle (IRE), whose sire is Saddlers' Hall.
- What going does Why Not Thistle (IRE) prefer?
- Why Not Thistle (IRE) has the best record on heavy going: 1 win from 5 starts (20%). Only going bands with at least three archived starts are read, so this is a direction rather than a settled preference.
- What is Why Not Thistle (IRE)'s official rating?
- The most recent official rating on record is 111, from the run on 5 April 2015. That is also the highest on record.
- What is Why Not Thistle (IRE)'s sire's record?
- Flemensfirth (USA)'s progeny in our archive have won 11.9% of 17,274 runs since Jan 2008 (1,594 horses), Flat and jumps together.
- Who are Why Not Thistle (IRE)'s siblings?
- Out of Which Thistle (IRE), Why Not Thistle (IRE) has 11 other produce in our archive, 5 of them winners. Most wins: Irish Thistle (IRE) (4). Highest grade won: Class 3 (Irish Thistle (IRE)). The wins came over 1m7½f–3m1½f. As at Oct 2026.
- Has Why Not Thistle (IRE) produced winners?
- As a dam, Why Not Thistle (IRE) has 3 produce in our archive, 1 of them a winner. Most wins: Double Pink (IRE) (2). The wins came over 2m–2m4f. As at Oct 2026.