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Horse profile

Allegedly So (IRE)

7yo gelding (at last run, Apr 2008) · Last trainer Donald Whillans · Last owner The Optimistic Pessimists
by Flemensfirth (USA) out of Celtic Lace (GB) (Celtic Cone)
13 runs · 5 courses · from Mar 2005
As at 27 Oct 2026 · KTB archive: GB, Ireland & France · 2005–present, updated daily
No run recorded since 10 Apr 2008 — 6,774 days ago. Our archive can't say whether the horse is still in training.
Last run Apr 2008 · 5th of 5 2 wins · Newcastle & Hexham Last raced off OR 95
KTB Profile

Allegedly So (IRE) is 2 from 13. Hasn't won since Jan 2007. Last raced off 95, 13lb below the career-high mark.

Based on 13 archived runs · updated 27 Oct 2026
KTB at a glance OR ↓ 13lb off peak
Official rating95↓ 13lb off peak
95 90–108

KTB Speed and Rating

KTB Speed

No KTB Speed figures for this horse. The engine scores GB and Irish racing from Oct 2016; runs elsewhere, or earlier, have no figure.

KTB Speed v1 · batch 15 Sep 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 0 figures from 0 runs · a record, not a forecast

KTB Rating

Best recent KTB Rating 97C the best of the last 3 rated runs · Hexham, 1 Apr 2007 Official rating 95 at the last run, 10 Apr 2008

What the horse achieved in each race, in pounds on the official-rating scale, from the weight carried, the lengths beaten and the race's own level solved across the archive — never the market, never the official rating as a starting point. The headline is the best of the horse's last three rated runs on that code. A, B or C on a run is how much known form was in that race. What this means →

Jumps 12 figures · best 121C · median 90
GoingRunsBestMedianSince 27 Oct 2025
Soft7121C97—
Good to Soft389C83—
Heavy1———
Good1———
DistanceRunsBestMedianSince 27 Oct 2025
2m1f – 2m4f5107C83—
2m5f – 3m4121C94.5—
1m5f – 2m2100C84.5—
Over 3m1———

Of 13 runs looked at, 1 has no figure: did not complete (or a non-runner row) (1).

KTB Rating v1 · batch 3 Oct 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 12 figures from 13 runs · as at 4 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast

Both figures are KTB's own, computed from the archive; no vendor rating enters either. Every run's figure is on its form line below with its grade. Grades measure how much the archive could see, never the merit of the run.

Run style is derived from in-running commentary, which our data provider does not supply for this horse's races.

Pedigree intelligence

Sire
Flemensfirth (USA)

Progeny in our archive have won 11.8% of 17,280 runs since Jan 2008 (1,594 horses).

GoingRunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
Firm3800%−11.8—
Good to Firm522509.6%−2.2—
Good4,05344110.9%−0.90 from 1
Good to Soft2,93235412.1%+0.30 from 3
Soft5,87675112.8%+12 from 7
Heavy3,81744911.8%00 from 2
Standard (AW)4224.8%−7—
Distance (all codes)RunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
1m – 1m1f200%−11.8—
1m2f – 1m4f2514%−7.8—
1m5f – 2m4,48454712.2%+0.41 from 2
2m1f – 2m4f6,08072411.9%+0.10 from 5
2m5f – 3m5,25762211.8%01 from 5
Over 3m1,43215310.7%−1.10 from 1

Flat and jumps together (all codes) · since Jan 2008 · as at 27 Oct 2026 · rows under 30 runs muted · win % is the measure, a record not a forecast

Dam
Celtic Lace (GB) (Celtic Cone)

1 sibling in the archive, 0 winners.

ProduceRunsWinsWin tripsBest grade
Johnny Harris (IRE)60——

Record by conditions

GoingRunsWinsSR£1
Soft 7 2 29% +102.00
Good to Soft 3 0 0% −3.00
Heavy 2 0 0% −2.00
Good 1 0 0% −1.00

ClassRunsWinsSR£1
Class 4 7 0 0% −7.00
Class 3 3 1 33% +98.00
Class 6 3 1 33% +5.00

CourseRunsWinsSR£1
Hexham 4 1 25% +4.00
Carlisle 3 0 0% −3.00
Ayr 3 0 0% −3.00
Perth 2 0 0% −2.00
Newcastle 1 1 100% +100.00

DistanceRunsWinsSR£1
2m1f – 2m4f 5 0 0% −5.00
2m5f – 3m 5 1 20% +96.00
1m5f – 2m 2 1 50% +6.00
Over 3m 1 0 0% −1.00

JockeyRunsWinsSR£1
Peter Buchanan 8 2 25% +101.00
T J Dreaper 1 0 0% −1.00
Garry Whillans 1 0 0% −1.00
Graham Lee 1 0 0% −1.00
Dominic Elsworth 1 0 0% −1.00
Ewan Whillans 1 0 0% −1.00

HeadgearRunsWinsSR£1
None 7 1 14% +1.00
Tongue tie 6 1 17% +95.00

SeasonRunsWinsSR£1
2008 1 0 0% −1.00
2007 5 1 20% +96.00
2006 3 0 0% −3.00
2005 4 1 25% +4.00

TypeRunsWinsSR£1
Hurdle 9 1 11% +92.00
NH Flat 3 1 33% +5.00
Chase 1 0 0% −1.00

Splits include every sample, however small — muted rows are under 3 runs. A one-from-one record is a fact, not a trend: read the Runs column before the strike rate.

Form

DateCourseRace PosBtn Wgt ORKTB Jockey SP
2008 · 1 run
10 Apr 08+349d Carlisle Dobbs Finale & Future Best Wishes Novices' Chase Class 4 · 20f · Good To Soft · 5 ran 5/5 30 10-13 9583C T J Dreaper 7/1
2007 · 5 runs
27 Apr 07+26d Perth Gillespie Investments Conditional Jockeys' Handicap Hurdle Class 3 · 26.5f · Good To Soft · 13 ran 8/13 14 10-4 10689C Garry Whillans 15/2
01 Apr 07+22d Hexham Kit Patterson Memorial 'National Hunt' Novices' Hurdle Class 4 · 23.5f · Soft · 12 ran 3/12 10 11-5 10697C Peter Buchanan 15/2
10 Mar 07+19d Ayr Dalziel Conservatories Novices' Handicap Hurdle Class 4 · 24.5f · Heavy · 6 ran PU/6 — 11-11 108— Peter Buchanan 9/2
19 Feb 07+33d Carlisle VC Bet 'Front Runners In US Racing' Novices' Hurdle Class 4 · 20f · Soft · 17 ran 6/17 1¼ 11-10 108107C Graham Lee 8/1
17 Jan 07+29d Newcastle bet365.com Novices' Hurdle Class 3 · 24f · Soft · 13 ran 1/13 10-12 104121C Peter Buchanan 100/1
2006 · 3 runs
19 Dec 06+203d Ayr Dawn Construction Novices' Hurdle Class 4 · 21.5f · Heavy · 10 ran 8/10 9 10-12 9092C Dominic Elsworth 66/1
30 May 06+12d Hexham Mencap North East Maiden Hurdle Class 4 · 20f · Good · 12 ran 8/12 30 11-2 9080C Peter Buchanan 33/1
18 May 06+147d Perth Media Shop Scotland Intermediate Hurdle Class 4 · 24f · Soft · 7 ran 6/7 30 11-0 —67C Peter Buchanan 13/2
2005 · 4 runs
22 Dec 05+36d Ayr A New Dawn At Cumbernauld Novices' Hurdle Class 3 · 20f · Soft · 17 ran 7/17 9 10-9 —83C Peter Buchanan 50/1
16 Nov 05+220d Hexham At The Races Intermediate Open NH Flat Race Class 6 · 16f · Good To Soft · 11 ran 6/11 6 11-4 —69C Ewan Whillans 14/1
10 Apr 05+31d Hexham NH Flat Race Class 6 · 16f · Soft · 18 ran 1/18 10-6 —100C Peter Buchanan 7/1
10 Mar 05 Carlisle NH Flat Race Class 6 · 17f · Soft · 11 ran 5/11 3 10-4 —91C Peter Buchanan 14/1

Quick answers

How many races has Allegedly So won?
Allegedly So (IRE) won 2 of 13 archived starts between 2005 and 2008, a strike rate of 15.4%. Placed 3 times in total (23.1% of starts).
Who trained Allegedly So?
Allegedly So (IRE) was trained by Donald Whillans on the most recent run on record, at Carlisle on 10 April 2008.
Who is Allegedly So's sire?
Allegedly So (IRE) is by Flemensfirth (USA) out of Celtic Lace (GB), whose sire is Celtic Cone.
What going does Allegedly So prefer?
Allegedly So (IRE) has the best record on soft going: 2 wins from 7 starts (28.6%). Only going bands with at least three archived starts are read, so this is a direction rather than a settled preference.
What is Allegedly So's official rating?
The most recent official rating on record is 95, from the run on 10 April 2008. The highest on record is 108.
What is Allegedly So's sire's record?
Flemensfirth (USA)'s progeny in our archive have won 11.8% of 17,280 runs since Jan 2008 (1,594 horses), Flat and jumps together.
Who are Allegedly So's siblings?
Out of Celtic Lace (GB), Allegedly So (IRE) has 1 other produce in our archive, 0 of them winners. As at Oct 2026.

Record shown from March 2005. Our archive holds racing in Great Britain, Ireland and France from January 2005. Runs in other countries are not in it, and earlier runs are not available from our data provider. In-running comments are available from 2024 onward.