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Horse profile

Cher Why Not (IRE)

13yo gelding (at last run, Jan 2025) · Last trainer Timothy Doyle · Last owner Mrs Claire Doyle
by Flemensfirth (USA) out of Chermesina (IRE) (Be My Native)
39 runs · 10 courses · from Apr 2017
As at 21 Oct 2026 · KTB archive: GB, Ireland & France · 2005–present, updated daily
No run recorded since 27 Jan 2025 — 631 days ago. Our archive can't say whether the horse is still in training.
Last run Jan 2025 · 13th of 20 3 wins · Fairyhouse, Clonmel & Thurles Last raced off OR 92
KTB Profile

Cher Why Not won three of 39 starts, all in handicap hurdles over 2m5f – 3m on good to soft or softer. His wins came at Fairyhouse in Jan 2023 off 92, Clonmel in Sep 2022 off 85 and Thurles in Feb 2019 off 87. The gelding, by Flemensfirth out of a Be My Native mare, was held when he finished 13 of 20 at Punchestown in Jan 2025. He last ran off an official rating of 92, 12 lb below his highest ever mark.

Based on 39 archived runs · run-style from 2 commented runs · updated 21 Oct 2026
KTB at a glance OR ↓ 12lb off peak
Official rating92↓ 12lb off peak
92 81–104

KTB Speed and Rating

KTB Speed

Best recent Speed 79 the best of the last 3 graded (A or B) runs · Punchestown, 21 Feb 2024

How fast the horse ran, as points against the day-corrected standard time for its course and distance: 100 is the median GB Class 4 handicap winner on that code; one point is 0.1% of the standard time. A, B or C is how much the day's card could tell us, not how good the run was. What this means →

Jumps 30 figures · best 175B · median 92.5
GoingRunsBestMedianSince 21 Oct 2025
Soft11175B93—
Heavy9114B79—
Good7133B106—
Good to Soft3104C96—
DistanceRunsBestMedianSince 21 Oct 2025
2m5f – 3m25175B96—
2m1f – 2m4f383C38—
Over 3m2133B106—

Of 39 runs looked at, 9 have no figure: did not complete (4) · obstacles omitted — the race ran a shortened course (4) · not enough races on the card to set the day (under 4) (1).

KTB Speed v1 · batch 15 Sep 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 30 figures from 39 runs · as at 3 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast

KTB Rating

Best recent KTB Rating 105A the best of the last 3 rated runs · Punchestown, 21 Feb 2024 Official rating 92 at the last run, 27 Jan 2025

What the horse achieved in each race, in pounds on the official-rating scale, from the weight carried, the lengths beaten and the race's own level solved across the archive — never the market, never the official rating as a starting point. The headline is the best of the horse's last three rated runs on that code. A, B or C on a run is how much known form was in that race. What this means →

Jumps 34 figures · best 115A · median 103.5
GoingRunsBestMedianSince 21 Oct 2025
Soft13114A108—
Heavy9114A101—
Good9115A96—
Good to Soft3105A89—
DistanceRunsBestMedianSince 21 Oct 2025
2m5f – 3m29115A105—
2m1f – 2m4f3101A91—
Over 3m2105A101.5—

Of 39 runs looked at, 5 have no figure: did not complete (or a non-runner row) (5).

KTB Rating v1 · batch 3 Oct 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 34 figures from 39 runs · as at 4 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast

Both figures are KTB's own, computed from the archive; no vendor rating enters either. Every run's figure is on its form line below with its grade. Grades measure how much the archive could see, never the merit of the run.

Pedigree intelligence

Sire
Flemensfirth (USA)

Progeny in our archive have won 11.9% of 17,274 runs since Jan 2008 (1,594 horses).

GoingRunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
Firm3800%−11.9—
Good to Firm522509.6%−2.3—
Good4,05144110.9%−11 from 11
Good to Soft2,93135412.1%+0.21 from 4
Soft5,87675112.8%+0.91 from 15
Heavy3,81444911.8%−0.10 from 9
Standard (AW)4224.8%−7.1—
Distance (all codes)RunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
1m – 1m1f200%−11.9—
1m2f – 1m4f2514%−7.9—
1m5f – 2m4,48454712.2%+0.3—
2m1f – 2m4f6,07772411.9%00 from 3
2m5f – 3m5,25462211.8%−0.13 from 34
Over 3m1,43215310.7%−1.20 from 2

Flat and jumps together (all codes) · since Jan 2008 · as at 20 Oct 2026 · rows under 30 runs muted · win % is the measure, a record not a forecast

Dam
Chermesina (IRE) (Be My Native)

3 siblings in the archive, 1 winner — best of them Getaway Charlie (IRE) (2 wins).

The wins came over 2m4½f–2m7f.

ProduceRunsWinsWin tripsBest grade
Getaway Charlie (IRE)3122m4½f–2m7f—
Cher Tel Me (IRE)110——
Ah Cher (IRE)10——

Record by conditions

GoingRunsWinsSR£1
Soft 15 1 7% −9.50
Good 11 1 9% −7.75
Heavy 9 0 0% −9.00
Good to Soft 4 1 25% +22.00

CourseRunsWinsSR£1
Punchestown 11 0 0% −11.00
Fairyhouse 10 1 10% −4.50
Thurles 6 1 17% −2.75
Tipperary 4 0 0% −4.00
Cork 3 0 0% −3.00
Gowran Park 1 0 0% −1.00
Clonmel 1 1 100% +25.00
Leopardstown 1 0 0% −1.00
Wexford 1 0 0% −1.00
Kilbeggan 1 0 0% −1.00

DistanceRunsWinsSR£1
2m5f – 3m 34 3 9% +0.75
2m1f – 2m4f 3 0 0% −3.00
Over 3m 2 0 0% −2.00

JockeyRunsWinsSR£1
Martin Burke 10 0 0% −10.00
Cian Quirke 9 2 22% +22.50
Mr D Doyle 7 0 0% −7.00
Ryan Treacy 5 1 20% −1.75
Ambrose McCurtin 3 0 0% −3.00
Conor McNamara 2 0 0% −2.00
J J Slevin 1 0 0% −1.00
Niall Moore 1 0 0% −1.00
Sean Flanagan 1 0 0% −1.00

SeasonRunsWinsSR£1
2025 2 0 0% −2.00
2024 4 0 0% −4.00
2023 8 1 13% −2.50
2022 6 1 17% +20.00
2021 1 0 0% −1.00
2019 5 1 20% −1.75
2018 7 0 0% −7.00
2017 6 0 0% −6.00

Splits include every sample, however small — muted rows are under 3 runs. A one-from-one record is a fact, not a trend: read the Runs column before the strike rate.

Form

DateCourseRace PosBtn Wgt ORSpdKTB Jockey SP
27 Jan 25+26d Punchestown Punchestown Party At Festival 2025 Handicap Hurdle (0-100) 23f · Heavy · 20 ran Held up towards the back - no real impression made on the leaders - stayed on steadily through the closing stages - well held in 13th 13/20 4 10-13 9253C84C Mr D Doyle 20/1
01 Jan 25+231d Fairyhouse Happy Retirement To Noel Fanning Handicap Hurdle 24.5f · Yielding To Soft · 21 ran Held up towards rear from the off - beginning to labour in 5th - eased and pulled up before 2 out PU/21 — 10-8 92—— J J Slevin 18/1
15 May 24+67d Tipperary Tipperary Races On Twitter Handicap Hurdle (80-102) 24f · Good To Yielding · 16 ran PU/16 — 11-7 102—— Mr D Doyle 22/1
09 Mar 24+17d Gowran Park BoyleSports Money Back On Every Race At Cheltenham Handicap Hurdle (80-109) 20f · Heavy · 15 ran 7/15 7 11-0 10228B101A Mr D Doyle 10/1
21 Feb 24+51d Punchestown Book Your Group Deal Today Handicap Hurdle (80-109) 25f · Heavy · 10 ran 4/10 2¾ 11-3 10379B105A Mr D Doyle 9/2
01 Jan 24+16d Fairyhouse Fairyhouse Membership 2024 Handicap Hurdle 24f · Heavy · 10 ran 2/10 11 11-1 10370A114A Mr D Doyle 5/1
16 Dec 23+20d Fairyhouse Tote Always SP Or Better At Fairyhouse Handicap Hurdle 23f · Heavy · 12 ran 3/12 1¾ 10-12 10291A111A Mr D Doyle 5/1
26 Nov 23+231d Punchestown Fox Valet Retirement Handicap Hurdle (80-116) 24.5f · Soft · 17 ran 3/17 2¼ 10-6 100158B109A Mr D Doyle 9/1
09 Apr 23+22d Cork Mallow Commercials Cvrt Test Centre Handicap Hurdle (80-116) 24.5f · Yielding · 16 ran 15/16 2½ 10-11 10364C87C Niall Moore 20/1
18 Mar 23+24d Thurles Leugh Handicap Hurdle (80-109) 23f · Soft · 14 ran 6/14 1¼ 11-9 10493B112A Ambrose McCurtin 12/1
22 Feb 23+3d Punchestown Last Chance 10% Off Festival Tickets Handicap Hurdle (80-109) 24.5f · Yielding · 15 ran 7/15 shd 11-2 104—108A Cian Quirke 11/2
19 Feb 23+36d Punchestown David Trundley Artist At Punchestown Handicap Hurdle 23.5f · Yielding · 17 ran 4/17 ½ 9-7 104113B103A Cian Quirke 12/1
14 Jan 23+13d Fairyhouse Philip O'Connor Memorial, Lifetime Friend Of Fairyhouse Handicap Hurdle 24f · Soft To Heavy · 12 ran 3/12 hd 9-7 99114B112A Cian Quirke 17/2
01 Jan 23+13d Fairyhouse Tote+ Pays You More At Tote.ie Handicap Hurdle (80-109) 24f · Soft · 17 ran 1/17 11-0 9292B112B Cian Quirke 9/2
19 Dec 22+20d Punchestown Old House, Kill Handicap Hurdle 23.5f · Yielding · 18 ran 4/18 ½ 9-10 91175B105A Cian Quirke 15/2
29 Nov 22+10d Punchestown William Hill Extra Places Every Day Handicap Hurdle (80-102) 21.5f · Yielding To Soft · 22 ran 5/22 1 10-10 9184B105A Cian Quirke 11/2
19 Nov 22+47d Punchestown Conway Piling Handicap Hurdle (80-109) 24.5f · Yielding · 22 ran 4/22 2½ 10-3 91102B104A Cian Quirke 14/1
03 Oct 22+4d Tipperary Tipperary Races Handicap Hurdle (80-95) 24f · Good To Yielding · 19 ran 8/19 1½ 11-5 85104C88C Cian Quirke 13/8F
29 Sep 22+194d Clonmel Clonmel Handicap Hurdle (80-102) 24f · Good To Yielding · 15 ran 1/15 10-6 8596B105A Cian Quirke 25/1
19 Mar 22+431d Thurles Jimmy Neville Memorial Handicap Hurdle (80-109) 23f · Good · 17 ran 9/17 3¾ 10-8 88106B96A Ryan Treacy 33/1
12 Jan 21+680d Fairyhouse Fairyhouse Committee Handicap Hurdle (80-95) (Div 2) 20f · Heavy · 16 ran 11/16 shd 11-12 9238C91C Ryan Treacy 14/1
04 Mar 19+25d Leopardstown TRI Equestrian Handicap Hurdle (80-109) 24f · Soft · 13 ran 2/13 nk 10-6 92—108A Ryan Treacy 7/2F
07 Feb 19+12d Thurles Killinan Handicap Hurdle (80-95) 22.5f · Good · 17 ran 1/17 11-1 87107B115A Ryan Treacy 9/4F
26 Jan 19+12d Fairyhouse Adare Manor Opportunity Handicap Hurdle (80-109) 24f · Yielding To Soft · 18 ran 2/18 1 10-1 84119B114A Ryan Treacy 4/1
14 Jan 19+13d Punchestown Watch Racing TV On Vodafone TV Handicap Hurdle (80-102) 24f · Good · 20 ran 2/20 1½ 10-0 82112B101A Conor McNamara 9/2
01 Jan 19+65d Fairyhouse Join Fairyhouse Members Club Handicap Hurdle (80-109) 24f · Good · 12 ran 3/12 1½ 9-5 8180B98A Conor McNamara 11/2
28 Oct 18+7d Wexford Casey Concrete Gorey Handicap Hurdle (80-95) 24f · Yielding To Soft · 14 ran PU/14 — 10-9 83—— Martin Burke 7/1
21 Oct 18+108d Cork www.corkracecourse.ie Buy Tickets Online & Save Handicap Hurdle (80-109) 24f · Good · 13 ran PU/13 — 10-2 83—— Sean Flanagan 8/1
05 Jul 18+10d Tipperary Follow tipperaryraces.ie Handicap Hurdle (80-95) 24f · Good · 20 ran 8/20 2¼ 10-11 85—94A Ambrose McCurtin 8/1
25 Jun 18+40d Kilbeggan Greville Arms Hotel Mullingar Handicap Hurdle (80-95) 25f · Good · 16 ran 5/16 hd 10-12 86133B98A Ambrose McCurtin 5/1F
16 May 18+97d Punchestown punchestown.com Handicap Hurdle (80-102) 23f · Good · 23 ran 6/23 nk 10-6 87—96A Martin Burke 10/1
08 Feb 18+38d Thurles Killinan Handicap Hurdle (80-95) 23.5f · Soft To Heavy · 15 ran 7/15 3¼ 11-1 89108B89A Martin Burke 11/2
01 Jan 18+32d Fairyhouse Join Fairyhouse Members Club Handicap Hurdle (80-109) 23.5f · Heavy · 14 ran 4/14 10 10-2 9081B96A Martin Burke 8/1
30 Nov 17+35d Thurles Thurles Handicap Hurdle (80-95) 22.5f · Soft · 18 ran 4/18 2¼ 11-2 9048B110A Martin Burke 10/1
26 Oct 17+112d Thurles Premier County Handicap Hurdle (80-102) 23f · Yielding · 18 ran 2/18 4½ 10-7 8887B105A Martin Burke 28/1
06 Jul 17+50d Tipperary Follow tipperaryraces.ie Handicap Hurdle (80-95) (Div 2) 24f · Good · 18 ran PU/18 — 11-0 90—— Martin Burke 25/1
17 May 17+12d Punchestown Punchestown For Events Maiden Hurdle 24f · Good · 9 ran 6/9 9½ 11-5 —97B85A Martin Burke 20/1
05 May 17+17d Cork Cork GAA Clubs Go Racing Maiden Hurdle 24f · Good · 13 ran 5/13 2½ 11-5 —83C91C Martin Burke 50/1
18 Apr 17 Fairyhouse Lilly Bain Bathroom And Tiles Supporting Newry RFC Maiden Hurdle 20f · Good To Yielding · 25 ran 11/25 12 11-5 —83C89C Martin Burke 100/1

Quick answers

How many races has Cher Why Not (IRE) won?
Cher Why Not (IRE) won 3 of 39 archived starts between 2017 and 2025, a strike rate of 7.7%. Placed 16 times in total (41% of starts).
Who trained Cher Why Not (IRE)?
Cher Why Not (IRE) was trained by Timothy Doyle on the most recent run on record, at Punchestown on 27 January 2025.
Who is Cher Why Not (IRE)'s sire?
Cher Why Not (IRE) is by Flemensfirth (USA) out of Chermesina (IRE), whose sire is Be My Native.
What going does Cher Why Not (IRE) prefer?
Cher Why Not (IRE) has the best record on good to soft going: 1 win from 4 starts (25%). Only going bands with at least three archived starts are read, so this is a direction rather than a settled preference.
What is Cher Why Not (IRE)'s official rating?
The most recent official rating on record is 92, from the run on 27 January 2025. The highest on record is 104.
What is Cher Why Not (IRE)'s sire's record?
Flemensfirth (USA)'s progeny in our archive have won 11.9% of 17,274 runs since Jan 2008 (1,594 horses), Flat and jumps together.
Who are Cher Why Not (IRE)'s siblings?
Out of Chermesina (IRE), Cher Why Not (IRE) has 3 other produce in our archive, 1 of them a winner. Most wins: Getaway Charlie (IRE) (2). The wins came over 2m4½f–2m7f. As at Oct 2026.

Record shown from April 2017. Our archive holds racing in Great Britain, Ireland and France from January 2005. Runs in other countries are not in it, and earlier runs are not available from our data provider. In-running comments are available from 2024 onward.