Never Can Tell (IRE)
Never Can Tell (IRE) is 5 from 20. Hasn't won since Oct 2011.
- 5–20Wins / Runs
- 25%Strike rate
- 10 (50%)Placed
- +43.50£1 level staken=20 at SP
- 2.56Fair A/E n=20 · 2.20 incl. margin
- 100Highest OR
- 23dBetween runs (median)longest 214 d
A/E compares actual wins with what starting prices implied. "Fair" strips the bookmaker margin from the expectation, so favourites and longshots are judged on the same footing — figures near 1.00 mean the market priced this horse about right.
KTB Speed and Rating
No KTB Speed figures for this horse. The engine scores GB and Irish racing from Oct 2016; runs elsewhere, or earlier, have no figure.
KTB Speed v1 · batch 15 Sep 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 0 figures from 0 runs · a record, not a forecast
Both figures are KTB's own, computed from the archive; no vendor rating enters either. Every run's figure is on its form line below with its grade. Grades measure how much the archive could see, never the merit of the run.
Run style is derived from in-running commentary, which our data provider does not supply for this horse's races.
Pedigree intelligence
Progeny in our archive have won 12.3% of 7,971 runs since Jan 2008 (665 horses).
Strongest on heavy going: 16.3% from 686.
| Going | Runs | Wins | SR | vs sire | This horse |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Firm | 57 | 4 | 7% | −5.3 | 0 from 1 |
| Good to Firm | 1,242 | 159 | 12.8% | +0.5 | 2 from 5 |
| Good | 2,141 | 262 | 12.2% | −0.1 | 2 from 9 |
| Good to Soft | 1,110 | 148 | 13.3% | +1 | 0 from 2 |
| Soft | 1,682 | 194 | 11.5% | −0.8 | 0 from 1 |
| Heavy | 686 | 112 | 16.3% | +4 | — |
| Standard (AW) | 1,053 | 100 | 9.5% | −2.8 | 1 from 2 |
| Distance (all codes) | Runs | Wins | SR | vs sire | This horse |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Under 6f | 6 | 0 | 0% | −12.3 | — |
| 6f – 7f | 330 | 31 | 9.4% | −2.9 | — |
| 1m – 1m1f | 813 | 97 | 11.9% | −0.4 | — |
| 1m2f – 1m4f | 2,724 | 360 | 13.2% | +0.9 | 1 from 5 |
| 1m5f – 2m | 2,426 | 313 | 12.9% | +0.6 | 3 from 10 |
| 2m1f – 2m4f | 1,157 | 122 | 10.5% | −1.8 | 1 from 5 |
| 2m5f – 3m | 414 | 45 | 10.9% | −1.4 | — |
| Over 3m | 101 | 11 | 10.9% | −1.4 | — |
Flat and jumps together (all codes) · since Jan 2008 · as at 5 Nov 2026 · rows under 30 runs muted · win % is the measure, a record not a forecast
6 siblings in the archive, 5 winners — best of them Zain Arion (IRE) (4 wins).
The wins came over 1m–2m½f; the highest grade won is Class 3 (Izita Star (GB)).
| Produce | Runs | Wins | Win trips | Best grade |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Zain Arion (IRE) | 15 | 4 | 1m2f–1m4f | Class 4 |
| Izita Star (GB) | 18 | 3 | 2m–2m½f | Class 3 |
| Crazy Buddies (IRE) | 10 | 2 | 1m–1m½f | — |
| Sense Of Victory (IRE) | 8 | 1 | 1m4f | — |
| Fantastic Lass (GB) | 12 | 1 | 1m2f | Class 6 |
| Just For Dream (IRE) | 3 | 0 | — | — |
Record by conditions
| Going | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Good | 9 | 2 | 22% | +29.00 |
| Good to Firm | 5 | 2 | 40% | +3.50 |
| Standard (AW) | 2 | 1 | 50% | +15.00 |
| Good to Soft | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Soft | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Firm | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Class | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Class 4 | 6 | 2 | 33% | +17.50 |
| Class 5 | 6 | 1 | 17% | −4.00 |
| Class 2 | 4 | 1 | 25% | +22.00 |
| Class 1 | 3 | 0 | 0% | −3.00 |
| Class 3 | 1 | 1 | 100% | +11.00 |
| Course | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Chester | 6 | 2 | 33% | +12.50 |
| York | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Goodwood | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Wolverhampton (AW) | 2 | 1 | 50% | +15.00 |
| Lingfield | 2 | 1 | 50% | +0.00 |
| Salisbury | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Doncaster | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Newmarket | 1 | 1 | 100% | +25.00 |
| Bath | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Chepstow | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Distance | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1m5f – 2m | 10 | 3 | 30% | +21.00 |
| 2m1f – 2m4f | 5 | 1 | 20% | +21.00 |
| 1m2f – 1m4f | 5 | 1 | 20% | +1.50 |
| Jockey | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Sophie Doyle | 7 | 1 | 14% | −5.00 |
| Frankie Dettori | 4 | 1 | 25% | +22.00 |
| Jamie Spencer | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Franny Norton | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Tony Hamilton | 2 | 1 | 50% | +10.00 |
| Fergus Sweeney | 2 | 1 | 50% | +15.00 |
| Joe Fanning | 1 | 1 | 100% | +5.50 |
| Season | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2012 | 6 | 0 | 0% | −6.00 |
| 2011 | 6 | 3 | 50% | +38.50 |
| 2010 | 8 | 2 | 25% | +11.00 |
Splits include every sample, however small — muted rows are under 3 runs. A one-from-one record is a fact, not a trend: read the Runs column before the strike rate.
Form
| Date | Course | Race | Pos | Btn | Wgt | OR | KTB | Jockey | SP |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2012 · 6 runs | |||||||||
| 14 Sep 12+13d | Doncaster | Stobart Doncaster Cup (British Champions Series) (Group 2) | PU/10 | — | 8-12 | 97 | — | Jamie Spencer | 50/1 |
| 01 Sep 12+10d | Chester | Golden Square Shopping Centre Warrington Chester Stakes (Listed Handicap) | 10/13 | 3¼ | 9-3 | 99 | 73C | Franny Norton | 10/1 |
| 22 Aug 12+21d | York | BetVictor.com Handicap | 10/16 | 1¾ | 9-7 | 100 | 85A | Frankie Dettori | 11/1 |
| 01 Aug 12+18d | Goodwood | Goodwood Handicap | 3/20 | ¾ | 9-10 | 95 | 98A | Frankie Dettori | 10/1 |
| 14 Jul 12+66d | York | John Smith's Silver Cup (Listed Handicap) | 11/12 | 17 | 9-2 | 96 | 74C | Tony Hamilton | 14/1 |
| 09 May 12+214d | Chester | StanJames.com Chester Cup (Heritage Handicap) | 8/16 | 27 | 9-0 | 96 | 78C | Frankie Dettori | 11/1 |
| 2011 · 6 runs | |||||||||
| 08 Oct 11+29d | Newmarket | Betfred Cesarewitch (Heritage Handicap) | 1/33 | 8-11 | 85 | 92A | Frankie Dettori | 25/1 | |
| 09 Sep 11+62d | Chester | Deepbridge Capital LLP Handicap | 1/8 | 9-7 | 85 | 82A | Tony Hamilton | 11/1 | |
| 09 Jul 11+28d | Chester | Toteswinger Handicap | 2/9 | 4½ | 10-0 | 84 | 90A | Franny Norton | 9/2 |
| 11 Jun 11+39d | Chester | Corbetts Best Dressed Fillies' Handicap | 1/8 | 9-3 | 78 | 95A | Joe Fanning | 11/2 | |
| 03 May 11+14d | Bath | Western Daily Press Handicap | 2/3 | 3½ | 9-1 | 80 | 76C | Sophie Doyle | 5/2 |
| 19 Apr 11+207d | Wolverhampton (AW) | ladbrokes.com Handicap | 4/10 | 1½ | 9-3 | 80 | 79A | Jamie Spencer | 13/2 |
| 2010 · 8 runs | |||||||||
| 24 Sep 10+34d | Wolverhampton (AW) | williamhill.com - Sports Betting Handicap | 1/9 | 9-4 | 76 | 79A | Fergus Sweeney | 16/1 | |
| 21 Aug 10+15d | Chester | Bet Totepool At Totesport.com Handicap | 7/7 | hd | 8-5 | 80 | 57A | Sophie Doyle | 11/2 |
| 06 Aug 10+46d | Lingfield | thisissurreytoday.co.uk Maiden Stakes | 1/9 | 8-4 | 80 | 65A | Sophie Doyle | EvensF | |
| 21 Jun 10+10d | Chepstow | Real Radio 105-106fm Maiden Stakes | 2/7 | 2 | 8-2 | 75 | 68B | Sophie Doyle | 7/1 |
| 11 Jun 10+23d | Goodwood | Southern Daily Echo Maiden Handicap | 3/9 | 1¼ | 9-1 | 72 | 74A | Sophie Doyle | 16/1 |
| 19 May 10+6d | Lingfield | Lingfield Marriott Hotel & Country Club Maiden Stakes | 2/12 | 1½ | 8-1 | 72 | 73A | Sophie Doyle | 40/1 |
| 13 May 10+11d | Salisbury | Subscribe Now To Racing Uk Maiden Fillies' Stakes (Div 1) | 7/9 | 3¾ | 8-7 | — | 55A | Sophie Doyle | 66/1 |
| 02 May 10 | Salisbury | toteexacta Maiden Stakes | 7/11 | nse | 8-12 | — | 60C | Fergus Sweeney | 40/1 |
Quick answers
- How many races has Never Can Tell won?
- Never Can Tell (IRE) won 5 of 20 archived starts between 2010 and 2012, a strike rate of 25%. Placed 10 times in total (50% of starts).
- Who trained Never Can Tell?
- Never Can Tell (IRE) was trained by Jamie Osborne on the most recent run on record, at Doncaster on 14 September 2012.
- Who is Never Can Tell's sire?
- Never Can Tell (IRE) is by Montjeu (IRE) out of Shaanara (IRE), whose sire is Darshaan.
- What going does Never Can Tell prefer?
- Never Can Tell (IRE) has the best record on good to firm going: 2 wins from 5 starts (40%). Only going bands with at least three archived starts are read, so this is a direction rather than a settled preference.
- What is Never Can Tell's official rating?
- The most recent official rating on record is 97, from the run on 14 September 2012. The highest on record is 100.
- What is Never Can Tell's sire's record?
- Montjeu (IRE)'s progeny in our archive have won 12.3% of 7,971 runs since Jan 2008 (665 horses), Flat and jumps together. Strongest on heavy going: 16.3% from 686.
- Who are Never Can Tell's siblings?
- Out of Shaanara (IRE), Never Can Tell (IRE) has 6 other produce in our archive, 5 of them winners. Most wins: Zain Arion (IRE) (4). Highest grade won: Class 3 (Izita Star (GB)). The wins came over 1m–2m½f. As at Nov 2026.