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Or Sing About (FR)

11yo gelding (at last run, Mar 2013) · Last trainer Seamus Mullins · Last owner Gp Capt C J Lampard Flt Lt C J Howard
by Le Balafre (FR) out of Grande Folie (FR) (Highlanders)
41 runs · 19 courses · from Apr 2006
As at 14 Oct 2026 · KTB archive: GB, Ireland & France · 2005–present, updated daily
No run recorded since 8 Mar 2013 — 4,968 days ago. Our archive can't say whether the horse is still in training.
Last run Mar 2013 4 wins · Plumpton, Hereford & Worcester Last raced off OR 94
KTB Profile

Or Sing About (FR) is 4 from 41. Hasn't won since Sep 2011. Every win has come on good or faster ground (0 from 14 on softer). Last raced off 94, 31lb below the career-high mark.

Based on 41 archived runs · updated 14 Oct 2026
KTB at a glance Wins on good or faster OR ↓ 31lb off peak
Official rating94↓ 31lb off peak
94 87–125

KTB Speed and Rating

KTB Speed

No KTB Speed figures for this horse. The engine scores GB and Irish racing from Sep 2016; runs elsewhere, or earlier, have no figure.

KTB Speed v1 · batch 15 Sep 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 0 figures from 0 runs · a record, not a forecast

KTB Rating

Best recent KTB Rating 102B the best of the last 3 rated runs · Plumpton, 23 Sep 2012 Official rating 94 at the last run, 8 Mar 2013

What the horse achieved in each race, in pounds on the official-rating scale, from the weight carried, the lengths beaten and the race's own level solved across the archive — never the market, never the official rating as a starting point. The headline is the best of the horse's last three rated runs on that code. A, B or C on a run is how much known form was in that race.

Jumps 32 figures · best 132A · median 101.5
GoingRunsBestMedianSince 14 Oct 2025
Good to Firm15130A102—
Good10132A108.5—
Soft396C93—
Good to Soft3114A96—
Heavy1———
DistanceRunsBestMedianSince 14 Oct 2025
2m5f – 3m15132A102—
Over 3m10124B103.5—
2m1f – 2m4f5114A93—
1m5f – 2m2106C103.5—

Of 41 runs looked at, 9 have no figure: did not complete (or a non-runner row) (9).

KTB Rating v1 · batch 3 Oct 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 32 figures from 41 runs · as at 4 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast

Both figures are KTB's own, computed from the archive; no vendor rating enters either. Every run's figure is on its form line below with its grade. Grades measure how much the archive could see, never the merit of the run.

Run style is derived from in-running commentary, which our data provider does not supply for this horse's races.

Pedigree intelligence

Sire
Le Balafre (FR)

Progeny in our archive have won 13.4% of 411 runs since Jan 2008 (70 horses).

GoingRunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
Good to Firm26311.5%−1.92 from 16
Good661218.2%+4.82 from 11
Good to Soft59610.2%−3.20 from 9
Soft1732313.3%−0.10 from 4
Heavy791113.9%+0.50 from 1
Standard (AW)800%−13.4—
Distance (all codes)RunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
6f – 7f400%−13.4—
1m – 1m1f300%−13.4—
1m2f – 1m4f21628.6%+15.2—
1m5f – 2m54814.8%+1.40 from 2
2m1f – 2m4f2082713%−0.40 from 5
2m5f – 3m9199.9%−3.51 from 20
Over 3m30516.7%+3.33 from 14

Flat and jumps together (all codes) · since Jan 2008 · as at 14 Oct 2026 · rows under 30 runs muted · win % is the measure, a record not a forecast

Dam
Grande Folie (FR) (Highlanders)

1 sibling in the archive, 1 winner — best of them Phoudamour (FR) (3 wins).

The wins came over 2m–2m3½f; the highest grade won is Class 4 (Phoudamour (FR)).

ProduceRunsWinsWin tripsBest grade
Phoudamour (FR)832m–2m3½fClass 4

Record by conditions

GoingRunsWinsSR£1
Good to Firm 16 2 13% −6.75
Good 11 2 18% −1.25
Good to Soft 9 0 0% −9.00
Soft 4 0 0% −4.00
Heavy 1 0 0% −1.00

ClassRunsWinsSR£1
Class 4 21 3 14% −9.00
Class 3 11 0 0% −11.00
Class 5 4 1 25% +3.00
Class 6 3 0 0% −3.00
Class 2 2 0 0% −2.00

CourseRunsWinsSR£1
Plumpton 7 2 29% +2.25
Towcester 4 0 0% −4.00
Fontwell 4 0 0% −4.00
Wincanton 4 0 0% −4.00
Exeter 3 0 0% −3.00
Southwell 2 0 0% −2.00
Newton Abbot 2 0 0% −2.00
Kempton 2 0 0% −2.00
Worcester 2 1 50% +5.00
Hereford 2 1 50% +0.75
Sandown 1 0 0% −1.00
Fakenham 1 0 0% −1.00
Folkestone 1 0 0% −1.00
Stratford 1 0 0% −1.00
Market Rasen 1 0 0% −1.00
Cheltenham 1 0 0% −1.00
Ascot 1 0 0% −1.00
Newbury 1 0 0% −1.00
Chepstow 1 0 0% −1.00

DistanceRunsWinsSR£1
2m5f – 3m 20 1 5% −13.00
Over 3m 14 3 21% −2.00
2m1f – 2m4f 5 0 0% −5.00
1m5f – 2m 2 0 0% −2.00

JockeyRunsWinsSR£1
Andrew Thornton 19 3 16% −3.75
Jimmy Derham 6 1 17% −2.25
Wayne Kavanagh 4 0 0% −4.00
Kevin Jones 3 0 0% −3.00
Philip Hide 2 0 0% −2.00
Richard Young 2 0 0% −2.00
Flt Lt Camilla Howard 1 0 0% −1.00
Dominic Elsworth 1 0 0% −1.00
Jamie Moore 1 0 0% −1.00
A P McCoy 1 0 0% −1.00
Mick Fitzgerald 1 0 0% −1.00

HeadgearRunsWinsSR£1
None 22 2 9% −12.25
Visor 15 2 13% −5.75
Cheekpieces 4 0 0% −4.00

SeasonRunsWinsSR£1
2013 1 0 0% −1.00
2012 8 0 0% −8.00
2011 11 2 18% −1.75
2010 1 0 0% −1.00
2009 3 0 0% −3.00
2008 7 0 0% −7.00
2007 5 2 40% +4.75
2006 5 0 0% −5.00

TypeRunsWinsSR£1
Chase 22 2 9% −12.75
Hurdle 16 2 13% −6.25
NH Flat 3 0 0% −3.00

Splits include every sample, however small — muted rows are under 3 runs. A one-from-one record is a fact, not a trend: read the Runs column before the strike rate.

Form

DateCourseRace PosBtn Wgt ORKTB Jockey SP
08 Mar 13+116d Sandown Grand Military Gold Cup (Amateur Riders' Chase Sponsored By The Military Mutual) Class 3 · 24f · Soft · 10 ran PU/10 — 11-7 94— Flt Lt Camilla Howard 66/1
12 Nov 12+21d Southwell Betfred Goals Galore Handicap Chase Class 5 · 24f · Good · 7 ran 6/7 47 11-10 9787C Andrew Thornton 10/1
22 Oct 12+29d Plumpton Gerald Karn-smith Memorial Handicap Chase Class 4 · 25.5f · Good To Soft · 6 ran UR/6 — 10-9 97— Kevin Jones 9/1
23 Sep 12+63d Plumpton Betfair Boosts Prize Money At Plumpton Handicap Chase Class 4 · 25.5f · Good · 6 ran 2/6 ½ 10-3 94102B Kevin Jones 6/1
22 Jul 12+40d Newton Abbot Deal Or No Deal At Totepool.com Handicap Chase Class 4 · 26f · Good To Firm · 9 ran 5/9 7 11-0 9688C Dominic Elsworth 17/2
12 Jun 12+21d Southwell N.s.p.c.c. Handicap Chase Class 4 · 25.5f · Good · 8 ran 3/8 3 10-9 97105B Andrew Thornton 4/1
22 May 12+76d Towcester Betfair Boost Prize Money At Towcester Handicap Chase Class 4 · 24.5f · Good To Firm · 11 ran 5/11 1½ 11-2 99108A Andrew Thornton 28/1
07 Mar 12+9d Fontwell Betfair Don't Settle For Less Handicap Chase Class 4 · 25.5f · Soft · 6 ran 5/6 30 11-4 10496C Andrew Thornton 28/1
27 Feb 12+87d Plumpton Windsor Partners Amateur Riders' Handicap Chase Class 4 · 25.5f · Good To Soft · 9 ran 4/9 5 10-10 10490C Kevin Jones 25/1
02 Dec 11+15d Exeter Axminster Carpets Devon Marathon Handicap Chase Class 3 · 32f · Good To Soft · 13 ran PU/13 — 10-6 104— Wayne Kavanagh 80/1
17 Nov 11+31d Wincanton Bathwick Tyres Handicap Chase Class 4 · 26.5f · Good To Soft · 7 ran PU/7 — 11-4 104— Andrew Thornton 6/1
17 Oct 11+29d Plumpton Simon Gibson Handicap Chase Class 4 · 25.5f · Good To Firm · 4 ran 4/4 50 11-10 10484C Andrew Thornton 2/1
18 Sep 11+109d Plumpton Jessica, Aaron, Ella And Dani Handicap Chase Class 4 · 25.5f · Good To Firm · 9 ran 1/9 11-4 101115A Andrew Thornton 9/2
01 Jun 11+10d Fontwell Pww Ice Cream Suppliers Novices' Handicap Chase Class 4 · 25.5f · Good To Firm · 6 ran 2/6 7 11-7 101124B Jimmy Derham 4/1
22 May 11+14d Fakenham Light Dragoons Handicap Chase (For The Prince Of Wales Cup) Class 4 · 24f · Good To Firm · 7 ran 4/7 20 11-10 10186B Jimmy Derham 11/4F
08 May 11+20d Plumpton Brian Spencer Memorial Novices' Handicap Chase Class 4 · 25.5f · Good To Firm · 5 ran 1/5 11-0 94113B Jimmy Derham 11/4
18 Apr 11+50d Towcester safenames.net Handicap Chase Class 4 · 24.5f · Good To Firm · 9 ran 5/9 1¾ 11-7 9999A Andrew Thornton 9/2J
27 Feb 11+43d Towcester Racing Forum At gg.com Novices' Handicap Chase Class 4 · 21.5f · Heavy · 6 ran 3/6 ½ 10-12 101101B Andrew Thornton 7/1
15 Jan 11+13d Kempton William Hill Novices' Handicap Chase Class 3 · 24f · Good To Soft · 8 ran REF/8 — 11-0 110— Jimmy Derham 50/1
02 Jan 11+17d Folkestone Eastwell Manor Beginners' Chase Class 5 · 25f · Good To Soft · 5 ran F/5 — 10-11 113— Jimmy Derham 66/1
16 Dec 10+590d Exeter South-west Racing Club Handicap Chase Class 3 · 19f · Good To Soft · 13 ran 6/13 4 11-2 113114A Jimmy Derham 33/1
05 May 09+26d Exeter Desert Orchid Restaurant Handicap Hurdle Class 3 · 23f · Good To Firm · 16 ran 8/16 1½ 11-2 120102C Philip Hide 14/1
09 Apr 09+17d Wincanton Axminster Carpets Handicap Hurdle Class 3 · 21.5f · Good To Firm · 12 ran 3/12 5 11-12 125130A Andrew Thornton 12/1
23 Mar 09+149d Kempton Mix Business With Pleasure Handicap Hurdle Class 3 · 21f · Good · 7 ran F/7 — 11-10 120— Andrew Thornton 16/1
25 Oct 08+27d Stratford toteplacepot Novices' Chase Class 3 · 22.5f · Good To Firm · 6 ran 5/6 1¾ 10-12 120101B Philip Hide 6/1
28 Sep 08+28d Market Rasen Showsec International Ltd Handicap Hurdle Class 3 · 22f · Good · 15 ran 4/15 2¼ 10-8 120112A Wayne Kavanagh 9/1
31 Aug 08+73d Newton Abbot Betxtra At totesport.com Summer Festival Handicap Hurdle Class 2 · 21.5f · Good · 16 ran 3/16 5 10-6 120115A Wayne Kavanagh 50/1
19 Jun 08+11d Towcester Oracle Handicap Hurdle Class 4 · 24f · Good To Firm · 11 ran PU/11 — 11-9 112— Jamie Moore 15/8F
08 Jun 08+53d Worcester Gleave Partnership Family Day Handicap Hurdle Class 4 · 24f · Good · 12 ran 2/12 1¼ 11-9 112132A A P McCoy 5/1
16 Apr 08+76d Cheltenham Endsleigh Insurance Novices' Handicap Hurdle Class 3 · 24f · Good To Soft · 20 ran 12/20 2 11-2 11396A Wayne Kavanagh 20/1
31 Jan 08+41d Wincanton Clydesdale Bank 'National Hunt' Novices' Hurdle Class 2 · 21.5f · Good To Soft · 7 ran PU/7 — 11-8 113— Mick Fitzgerald 16/1
21 Dec 07+186d Ascot Ascot Annual Badgeholders' Handicap Hurdle Class 3 · 21.5f · Good To Firm · 17 ran 3/17 nk 10-11 110114C Andrew Thornton 14/1
18 Jun 07+16d Hereford Join WBX.com For Free Bets Novices' Handicap Hurdle Class 4 · 25.5f · Good · 13 ran 1/13 11-12 96119C Andrew Thornton 7/4F
02 Jun 07+22d Worcester Jennifer Caton's 40 Soon Birthday Novices' Handicap Hurdle Class 5 · 24f · Good · 15 ran 1/15 11-5 88115C Andrew Thornton 6/1
11 May 07+127d Wincanton Bradfords Building Supplies Ltd Handicap Hurdle Class 4 · 21.5f · Good To Firm · 10 ran 3/10 nk 10-13 8786C Andrew Thornton 5/1
04 Jan 07+22d Fontwell Express Cafes 'National Hunt' Maiden Hurdle (Div 2) Class 4 · 17.5f · Soft · 10 ran 6/10 ½ 11-6 8793C Andrew Thornton 12/1
13 Dec 06+40d Newbury E.B.F. 'National Hunt' Novices' Hurdle (Qualifier) Class 4 · 19f · Soft · 15 ran 10/15 1½ 10-12 —92C Andrew Thornton 100/1
03 Nov 06+152d Fontwell Wbx.com Maiden Hurdle Class 5 · 19f · Good · 13 ran 6/13 6 11-0 —88C Andrew Thornton 10/1
04 Jun 06+21d Hereford Butlins Bingo Online Maiden Open NH Flat Race Class 6 · 16f · Good To Firm · 14 ran 2/14 4 10-11 —106C Richard Young 7/4F
14 May 06+26d Plumpton HBLB Intermediate Open NH Flat Race Class 6 · 17.5f · Good To Firm · 11 ran 2/11 1¼ 11-0 —101C Andrew Thornton 5/1
18 Apr 06 Chepstow 32Red.com Standard Open NH Flat Race Class 6 · 16f · Good · 13 ran 4/13 nk 10-7 —101C Richard Young 40/1

Quick answers

How many races has Or Sing About (FR) won?
Or Sing About (FR) won 4 of 41 archived starts between 2006 and 2013, a strike rate of 9.8%. Placed 14 times in total (34.1% of starts).
Who trained Or Sing About (FR)?
Or Sing About (FR) was trained by Seamus Mullins on the most recent run on record, at Sandown on 8 March 2013.
Who is Or Sing About (FR)'s sire?
Or Sing About (FR) is by Le Balafre (FR) out of Grande Folie (FR), whose sire is Highlanders.
What going does Or Sing About (FR) prefer?
Or Sing About (FR) has the best record on good going: 2 wins from 11 starts (18.2%). Only going bands with at least three archived starts are read, so this is a direction rather than a settled preference.
What is Or Sing About (FR)'s official rating?
The most recent official rating on record is 94, from the run on 8 March 2013. The highest on record is 125.
What is Or Sing About (FR)'s sire's record?
Le Balafre (FR)'s progeny in our archive have won 13.4% of 411 runs since Jan 2008 (70 horses), Flat and jumps together.
Who are Or Sing About (FR)'s siblings?
Out of Grande Folie (FR), Or Sing About (FR) has 1 other produce in our archive, 1 of them a winner. Most wins: Phoudamour (FR) (3). Highest grade won: Class 4 (Phoudamour (FR)). The wins came over 2m–2m3½f. As at Oct 2026.

Record shown from April 2006. Our archive holds racing in Great Britain, Ireland and France from January 2005. Runs in other countries are not in it, and earlier runs are not available from our data provider. In-running comments are available from 2024 onward.