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Horse profile

Theresnoneedfordat (IRE)

3yo gelding (at last run, Sep 2012) · Last trainer Stuart Williams · Last owner R Morris J Russell T Obrien M Nolan
by Holy Roman Emperor (IRE) out of Manuscript (GB) (Machiavellian)
13 runs · 8 courses · from Aug 2011
As at 22 Oct 2026 · KTB archive: GB, Ireland & France · 2005–present, updated daily
No run recorded since 27 Sep 2012 — 5,137 days ago. Our archive can't say whether the horse is still in training.
Last run Sep 2012 · 2nd of 12 3 wins · Wolverhampton (AW) Beaten favourite LTO Last raced off OR 71
KTB Profile

Theresnoneedfordat (IRE) is 3 from 13. Hasn't won since Sep 2012. 3 of 4 starts at Wolverhampton (AW) have ended in wins. All 3 wins have come on the all-weather — 0 from 9 on turf. All 3 wins have come over 6f – 7f. Last raced off a career-high mark of 71.

Based on 13 archived runs · updated 22 Oct 2026
KTB at a glance All wins on AW OR at career high
Official rating71At career-high mark
71 60–71

KTB Speed and Rating

KTB Speed

No KTB Speed figures for this horse. The engine scores GB and Irish racing from Oct 2016; runs elsewhere, or earlier, have no figure.

KTB Speed v1 · batch 15 Sep 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 0 figures from 0 runs · a record, not a forecast

KTB Rating

Best recent KTB Rating 103A the best of the last 3 rated runs · Wolverhampton (AW), 27 Sep 2012 Official rating 71 at the last run, 27 Sep 2012

What the horse achieved in each race, in pounds on the official-rating scale, from the weight carried, the lengths beaten and the race's own level solved across the archive — never the market, never the official rating as a starting point. The headline is the best of the horse's last three rated runs on that code. A, B or C on a run is how much known form was in that race. What this means →

Flat 13 figures · best 103A · median 75
GoingRunsBestMedianSince 22 Oct 2025
Standard (AW)4103A91—
Good to Firm382A82—
Good366B50—
Good to Soft258C52—
Soft1———
DistanceRunsBestMedianSince 22 Oct 2025
6f – 7f12103A78.5—
Under 6f1———

KTB Rating v1 · batch 3 Oct 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 13 figures from 13 runs · as at 4 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast

Both figures are KTB's own, computed from the archive; no vendor rating enters either. Every run's figure is on its form line below with its grade. Grades measure how much the archive could see, never the merit of the run.

Run style is derived from in-running commentary, which our data provider does not supply for this horse's races.

Pedigree intelligence

Sire

Progeny in our archive have won 10.3% of 11,867 runs since Jan 2008 (949 horses).

Weakest over 2m1f – 2m4f (all codes): 5.9% from 305.

GoingRunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
Firm571119.3%+9—
Good to Firm1,62117911%+0.70 from 3
Good2,60526710.2%−0.10 from 3
Good to Soft1,1721089.2%−1.10 from 2
Soft1,72118310.6%+0.30 from 1
Heavy607518.4%−1.9—
Standard (AW)4,08342410.4%+0.13 from 4
Distance (all codes)RunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
Under 6f87910411.8%+1.50 from 1
6f – 7f4,77349910.5%+0.23 from 12
1m – 1m1f3,04533811.1%+0.8—
1m2f – 1m4f2,0891959.3%−1—
1m5f – 2m697598.5%−1.8—
2m1f – 2m4f305185.9%−4.4—
2m5f – 3m761114.5%+4.2—
Over 3m300%−10.3—

Flat and jumps together (all codes) · since Jan 2008 · as at 22 Oct 2026 · rows under 30 runs muted · win % is the measure, a record not a forecast

Dam
Manuscript (GB) (Machiavellian)

2 siblings in the archive, 0 winners.

ProduceRunsWinsWin tripsBest grade
Kitchi (IRE)30——
Timeless Whisper (IRE)90——

Record by conditions

GoingRunsWinsSR£1
Standard (AW) 4 3 75% +5.13
Good to Firm 3 0 0% −3.00
Good 3 0 0% −3.00
Good to Soft 2 0 0% −2.00
Soft 1 0 0% −1.00

ClassRunsWinsSR£1
Class 5 9 2 22% −4.37
Class 6 3 1 33% +1.50
Class 4 1 0 0% −1.00

CourseRunsWinsSR£1
Wolverhampton (AW) 4 3 75% +5.13
Yarmouth 2 0 0% −2.00
Chester 2 0 0% −2.00
Folkestone 1 0 0% −1.00
Leicester 1 0 0% −1.00
Salisbury 1 0 0% −1.00
Brighton 1 0 0% −1.00
Windsor 1 0 0% −1.00

DistanceRunsWinsSR£1
6f – 7f 12 3 25% −2.87
Under 6f 1 0 0% −1.00

JockeyRunsWinsSR£1
William Carson 5 1 20% −0.50
Seb Sanders 2 0 0% −2.00
Adam Kirby 1 1 100% +1.25
Pat Cosgrave 1 1 100% +1.38
Ashley Morgan 1 0 0% −1.00
Saleem Golam 1 0 0% −1.00
Martin Harley 1 0 0% −1.00
Kieren Fallon 1 0 0% −1.00

HeadgearRunsWinsSR£1
Blinkers 5 0 0% −5.00
Hood 4 3 75% +5.13
None 4 0 0% −4.00

SeasonRunsWinsSR£1
2012 10 3 30% −0.87
2011 3 0 0% −3.00

Splits include every sample, however small — muted rows are under 3 runs. A one-from-one record is a fact, not a trend: read the Runs column before the strike rate.

Form

DateCourseRace PosBtn Wgt ORKTB Jockey SP
27 Sep 12+5d Wolverhampton (AW) 32Red.com Handicap Class 5 · 6f · Standard · 12 ran 2/12 hd 9-7 71103A William Carson EvensF
22 Sep 12+8d Wolverhampton (AW) 32Red.com Handicap (Div 1) Class 5 · 6f · Standard To Fast · 9 ran 1/9 9-2 7190A Adam Kirby 5/4F
14 Sep 12+14d Wolverhampton (AW) 32Red Handicap Class 5 · 6f · Standard To Fast · 9 ran 1/9 9-4 6683A Pat Cosgrave 11/8F
31 Aug 12+8d Wolverhampton (AW) Ladbrokes Mobile Handicap Class 6 · 6f · Standard · 11 ran 1/11 9-4 6092A William Carson 7/2
23 Aug 12+2d Folkestone WW Electrical Handicap Class 6 · 6f · Good To Firm · 6 ran 3/6 hd 9-2 6075B William Carson 3/1
21 Aug 12+13d Yarmouth Pleasurewood Hills Maiden Handicap Class 5 · 6f · Good To Firm · 10 ran 3/10 hd 8-11 6082A William Carson 12/1
08 Aug 12+26d Yarmouth 3 Sun Handicap Class 6 · 5f · Good · 6 ran 3/6 hd 9-2 6066B Ashley Morgan 3/1
13 Jul 12+14d Chester Irvings Solicitors Handicap Class 5 · 7f · Good To Soft · 12 ran 12/12 20 9-0 6446C Saleem Golam 66/1
29 Jun 12+24d Chester Trafford Centre Fashion Flutter Handicap Class 5 · 7.5f · Good · 17 ran 17/17 4½ 9-6 6950C Martin Harley 33/1
05 Jun 12+239d Leicester Diamond Jubilee Handicap Class 4 · 7f · Good To Soft · 13 ran 10/13 7 8-12 7158C William Carson 33/1
10 Oct 11+45d Salisbury Bathwick Tyres Maiden Auction Stakes (Div 2) Class 5 · 7f · Good · 10 ran 9/10 31 8-11 —41C Kieren Fallon 5/1
26 Aug 11+19d Brighton Toteswinger More Ways To Win Maiden Auction Stakes Class 5 · 6f · Soft · 7 ran 3/7 nse 8-12 —73A Seb Sanders 15/8F
07 Aug 11 Windsor Windsor Vehicle Leasing Maiden Auction Stakes Class 5 · 6f · Good To Firm · 12 ran 4/12 3 8-11 —82A Seb Sanders 12/1

Quick answers

How many races has Theresnoneedfordat (IRE) won?
Theresnoneedfordat (IRE) won 3 of 13 archived starts between 2011 and 2012, a strike rate of 23.1%. Placed 5 times in total (38.5% of starts).
Who trained Theresnoneedfordat (IRE)?
Theresnoneedfordat (IRE) was trained by Stuart Williams on the most recent run on record, at Wolverhampton (AW) on 27 September 2012.
Who is Theresnoneedfordat (IRE)'s sire?
Theresnoneedfordat (IRE) is by Holy Roman Emperor (IRE) out of Manuscript (GB), whose sire is Machiavellian.
What going does Theresnoneedfordat (IRE) prefer?
Theresnoneedfordat (IRE) has the best record on standard (aw) going: 3 wins from 4 starts (75%). Only going bands with at least three archived starts are read, so this is a direction rather than a settled preference.
What is Theresnoneedfordat (IRE)'s official rating?
The most recent official rating on record is 71, from the run on 27 September 2012. That is also the highest on record.
What is Theresnoneedfordat (IRE)'s sire's record?
Holy Roman Emperor (IRE)'s progeny in our archive have won 10.3% of 11,867 runs since Jan 2008 (949 horses), Flat and jumps together. Weakest over 2m1f – 2m4f (all codes): 5.9% from 305.
Who are Theresnoneedfordat (IRE)'s siblings?
Out of Manuscript (GB), Theresnoneedfordat (IRE) has 2 other produce in our archive, 0 of them winners. As at Oct 2026.

Record shown from August 2011. Our archive holds racing in Great Britain, Ireland and France from January 2005. Runs in other countries are not in it, and earlier runs are not available from our data provider. In-running comments are available from 2024 onward.