Horse profile
Illogical Logic (FR)
by Coastal Path (GB) out of Vierge Sainte (FR) (Robin Des Champs)
29 runs · 18 courses · from Oct 2023
As at 25 Oct 2026 · KTB archive: GB, Ireland & France · 2005–present, updated daily
3 wins · Hexham, Cartmel & Newton Abbot
Last run 18 Oct 2026 · 4th of 7
Last raced off OR 88
KTB Profile
Illogical Logic won three of 29 starts, all at Class 5 in handicaps on good ground. He gained those wins at Hexham, Cartmel and Newton Abbot, two of them in the last three months. The gelding led when fourth of seven at Sedgefield in Oct 2026 on his latest start, last raced off an official rating of 88 which is 19lb below his highest ever mark. All three wins came over trips from 2m1f to over 3m.
Based on 29 archived runs · run-style from 22 commented runs since Sep 2024 · updated 25 Oct 2026
KTB at a glance
Wins on good or faster
All wins at Class 5
OR ↓ 19lb off peak
- 3–29Wins / Runs
- 10.3%Strike rate
- 8 (27.6%)Placed
- −15.13£1 level staken=29 at SP
- 0.81Fair A/E n=29 · 0.70 incl. margin
- 107Highest OR
- 39dAvg between runs
A/E compares actual wins with what starting prices implied. "Fair" strips the bookmaker margin from the expectation, so favourites and longshots are judged on the same footing — figures near 1.00 mean the market priced this horse about right.
Official rating88↓ 19lb off peak
88
81–107
KTB Speed and Rating
KTB Speed
Best recent Speed 88
How fast the horse ran, as points against the day-corrected standard time for its course and distance: 100 is the median GB Class 4 handicap winner on that code; one point is 0.1% of the standard time. A, B or C is how much the day's card could tell us, not how good the run was. What this means →
Jumps
| Going | Runs | Best | Median | Since 25 Oct 2025 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Good | 10 | 137B | 81 | 5 runs · 101 / 70 |
| Good to Soft | 6 | 109A | 75 | 3 runs · 82 / 68 |
| Soft | 2 | 91A | 89.5 | — |
| Good to Firm | 1 | — | — | 1 run · — |
| Heavy | 1 | — | — | — |
| Distance | Runs | Best | Median | Since 25 Oct 2025 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2m5f – 3m | 9 | 137B | 82 | 4 runs · 82 / 69 |
| Over 3m | 6 | 118A | 71.5 | 4 runs · 88 / 71.5 |
| 2m1f – 2m4f | 3 | 101C | 91 | 1 run · — |
| 1m5f – 2m | 2 | 109A | 96.5 | — |
Of 29 runs looked at, 9 have no figure: did not complete (6) · obstacles omitted — the race ran a shortened course (3).
KTB Speed v1 · batch 15 Sep 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 20 figures from 29 runs · as at 25 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast
Both figures are KTB's own, computed from the archive; no vendor rating enters either. Every run's figure is on its form line below with its grade. Grades measure how much the archive could see, never the merit of the run.
Run style from 22 analysed runs since Sep 2024
- Prominent 11 (50%) · 0 wins
- Led 7 (32%) · 3 wins
- Held up 2 (9%) · 0 wins
- Mid-division 2 (9%) · 0 wins
Pedigree intelligence
Sire
Progeny in our archive have won 12.8% of 2,207 runs since Jan 2008 (247 horses).
Strongest over 1m5f – 2m (all codes): 16.8% from 499. Weakest over 2m5f – 3m (all codes): 7.1% from 495.
| Going | Runs | Wins | SR | vs sire | This horse |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Good to Firm | 21 | 5 | 23.8% | +11 | 0 from 2 |
| Good | 504 | 67 | 13.3% | +0.5 | 3 from 15 |
| Good to Soft | 350 | 41 | 11.7% | −1.1 | 0 from 8 |
| Soft | 879 | 109 | 12.4% | −0.4 | 0 from 2 |
| Heavy | 421 | 57 | 13.5% | +0.7 | 0 from 2 |
| Standard (AW) | 32 | 4 | 12.5% | −0.3 | — |
| Distance (all codes) | Runs | Wins | SR | vs sire | This horse |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Under 6f | 2 | 0 | 0% | −12.8 | — |
| 6f – 7f | 11 | 0 | 0% | −12.8 | — |
| 1m – 1m1f | 5 | 0 | 0% | −12.8 | — |
| 1m2f – 1m4f | 54 | 7 | 13% | +0.2 | — |
| 1m5f – 2m | 499 | 84 | 16.8% | +4 | 0 from 2 |
| 2m1f – 2m4f | 1,019 | 144 | 14.1% | +1.3 | 1 from 3 |
| 2m5f – 3m | 495 | 35 | 7.1% | −5.7 | 1 from 15 |
| Over 3m | 122 | 13 | 10.7% | −2.1 | 1 from 9 |
Flat and jumps together (all codes) · since Jan 2008 · as at 25 Oct 2026 · rows under 30 runs muted · win % is the measure, a record not a forecast
Dam
Vierge Sainte (FR) (Robin Des Champs)
4 siblings in the archive, 1 winner — best of them Grace De Dieu (FR) (2 wins).
The wins came over 2m2f.
Family form: Mon Missel (FR) finished 3rd of 8 at Stratford, 5 Oct 2026.
| Produce | Runs | Wins | Win trips | Best grade |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Grace De Dieu (FR) | 10 | 2 | 2m2f | — |
| Mon Missel (FR) | 1 | 0 | — | — |
| Feu Ardent (FR) | 3 | 0 | — | — |
| Jalzan (FR) | 7 | 0 | — | — |
Record by conditions
| Going | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Good | 15 | 3 | 20% | −1.13 |
| Good to Soft | 8 | 0 | 0% | −8.00 |
| Good to Firm | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Heavy | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Soft | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Class | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Class 5 | 18 | 3 | 17% | −4.13 |
| Class 4 | 11 | 0 | 0% | −11.00 |
| Course | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Newton Abbot | 4 | 1 | 25% | −0.75 |
| Stratford | 3 | 0 | 0% | −3.00 |
| Ffos Las | 3 | 0 | 0% | −3.00 |
| Chepstow | 3 | 0 | 0% | −3.00 |
| Sedgefield | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Taunton | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Hexham | 1 | 1 | 100% | +1.62 |
| Cartmel | 1 | 1 | 100% | +7.00 |
| Plumpton | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Hereford | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Windsor | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Southwell | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Doncaster | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Fakenham | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Warwick | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Worcester | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Fontwell | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Ascot | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Distance | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2m5f – 3m | 15 | 1 | 7% | −7.00 |
| Over 3m | 9 | 1 | 11% | −5.75 |
| 2m1f – 2m4f | 3 | 1 | 33% | −0.38 |
| 1m5f – 2m | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Jockey | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Jack Tudor | 16 | 1 | 6% | −12.75 |
| Ellis Collier | 3 | 2 | 67% | +7.62 |
| Mr J J Murphy-Knight | 3 | 0 | 0% | −3.00 |
| Brian Hughes | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Toby McCain-Mitchell | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Freddie Mitchell | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Jamie Brace | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Dylan Johnston | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Nick Scholfield | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Headgear | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| None | 19 | 0 | 0% | −19.00 |
| Cheekpieces | 10 | 3 | 30% | +3.87 |
| Season | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2026 | 10 | 2 | 20% | +0.62 |
| 2025 | 8 | 1 | 13% | −4.75 |
| 2024 | 7 | 0 | 0% | −7.00 |
| 2023 | 4 | 0 | 0% | −4.00 |
| Type | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Chase | 23 | 3 | 13% | −9.13 |
| Hurdle | 6 | 0 | 0% | −6.00 |
Splits include every sample, however small — muted rows are under 3 runs. A one-from-one record is a fact, not a trend: read the Runs column before the strike rate.
Form
| Date | Course | Race | Pos | Btn | Wgt | OR | Spd | KTB | Jockey | SP |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2026 · 10 runs | ||||||||||
| 18 Oct 26+16d | Sedgefield | Celebrating 40 Years Of Vickers Bookmakers Conditional Jockeys' Handicap Steeple Chase Cut out in front early - passed at the 3rd fence - close up next - back in front before the 10th - under pressure and overtaken before 2 out then blundered and weakened to finish 4th | 4/7 | ½ | 11-2 | 88 | 82A | 95B | Ellis Collier | 3/1 |
| 02 Oct 26+34d | Hexham | Davey Liddle Belated Birthday Handicap Steeple Chase (Go North Monet's Garden Series Qualifier) Set off in front - passed before 3rd - back in front 9th - nudged three lengths ahead after 2 out - urged before the last - kept battling on the run-in - held on to win | 1/5 | 10-9 | 84 | 101C | 102B | Ellis Collier | 13/8 | |
| 29 Aug 26+9d | Cartmel | Cengiz Sadik Memorial Handicap Steeple Chase (For The Cengiz Sadik Memorial Trophy) Set the pace from the off - fended off a challenger 3 out - driven out after the last and kept finding more - drifted right in the closing stages holding on for the win | 1/11 | 10-9 | 81 | 70B | 109A | Ellis Collier | 7/1 | |
| 20 Aug 26+58d | Stratford | Happy Birthday Sue Handicap Steeple Chase Set the front at a strong gallop until challenged from the 9th - reasserted 5 out then asked for effort and overtaken near the last - stayed on gamely to finish second | 2/6 | 4 | 10-9 | 81 | 88B | 100B | Jack Tudor | 13/2 |
| 23 Jun 26+65d | Newton Abbot | Thatchers Handicap Chase Close to the pace early - hit front before 2nd but jumped awkwardly - pressed for effort before 4 out - lost advantage 3 out - unable to threaten again before fading out of contention | 5/9 | 21 | 10-12 | 83 | 51A | 77B | Mr J J Murphy-Knight | 8/1 |
| 19 Apr 26+10d | Stratford | Racecourse Streams On Racing TV Extra Handicap Chase Settled just off the front group early - dropped back before the 11th - drifted through the pack - down among the backmarkers by the 16th - eventually pulled up before two out | PU/7 | — | 10-9 | 86 | — | — | Mr J J Murphy-Knight | 12/1 |
| 09 Apr 26+24d | Taunton | Mike's Seventieth Birthday Celebration Handicap Chase Settled near the back of the field - lost touch with the pack early and dropped away - well beaten by 3 out | 6/7 | 57 | 10-9 | 88 | 65C | 75C | Mr J J Murphy-Knight | 8/1 |
| 16 Mar 26+45d | Plumpton | Weatherbys nhstallions.co.uk Handicap Chase Settled just off the pace early - lost ground before 14th - well beaten by the finish | 4/7 | 47 | 11-6 | 90 | 82C | 85C | Jack Tudor | 11/2 |
| 30 Jan 26+18d | Ffos Las | tigerbet.co.uk Fast Sign Up Novices' Handicap Chase (GBB Race) Settled handy early - moved into third approaching 3 out - driven on after that - shifted right near the last but unable to trouble the leading two | 3/7 | 5 | 10-11 | 90 | — | 101B | Jack Tudor | 8/1 |
| 12 Jan 26+50d | Hereford | Spa Motors Hereford Conditional Jockeys' Handicap Chase Shared front spot early - lost it for a moment 4 out then regained - pushed along soon after - lost front for good 2 out - dropped back as winner went clear - stayed on late without getting there | 2/11 | 4 | 11-4 | 90 | 61A | 99C | Toby McCain-Mitchell | 5/1 |
| 2025 · 8 runs | ||||||||||
| 23 Nov 25+42d | Windsor | Fitzdares Extra Places Every Day Handicap Chase Settled behind the front group - urged forward before 4 out - found renewed energy 3 out - moved into second at the 2 out fence - stayed on up the run-in to finish a short head second | 2/7 | nk | 10-8 | 90 | 68A | 99B | Freddie Mitchell | 15/2 |
| 12 Oct 25+36d | Chepstow | Champion Equestrian Conditional Jockeys' Handicap Chase (GBB Race) Settled just off the pace on the inside - slipped back by the 8th - midfield through the race - urged forward approaching the 14th - dropped away after the 17th before being eased and pulled up | PU/8 | — | 10-5 | 92 | — | — | Jamie Brace | 12/1 |
| 06 Sep 25+74d | Stratford | Genair Handicap Chase Prominent in second early - dropped back four out then blundered heavily three out and was pulled up | PU/9 | — | 11-8 | 93 | — | — | Jack Tudor | 6/1 |
| 24 Jun 25+20d | Newton Abbot | Korev Handicap Chase Set the pace early - pushed along approaching 2 out and overtaken before the final fence - edged out for 2nd close home | 3/8 | 2 | 12-0 | 93 | 118A | 120B | Jack Tudor | 6/4F |
| 04 Jun 25+7d | Newton Abbot | Join Us On Ladies' Night Novices' Handicap Chase Set the pace throughout - erred at the 5th - kept on strongly to repel the runner-up | 1/6 | 11-10 | 86 | 59A | 114B | Jack Tudor | 9/4F | |
| 28 May 25+100d | Newton Abbot | Happy Birthday Lucia Stevens Novices' Handicap Chase Set the pace from the start - opened up a big advantage before 3 out - came down at the following fence | F/7 | — | 12-0 | 86 | — | — | Jack Tudor | 13/2 |
| 17 Feb 25+24d | Southwell | Download The Racing App Now Handicap Chase Sat close up early - dropped away and slipped to the back by the 10th - well beaten and eased before 4 out | PU/10 | — | 11-0 | 86 | — | — | Jack Tudor | 4/1C |
| 24 Jan 25+71d | Doncaster | Virgin Bet Handicap Chase (GBB Race) Settled in the pack - improved to challenge and up to 3rd approaching 2 out - couldn't quite reach the front pair - edged out of 3rd near the line to finish 4th | 4/11 | ½ | 10-5 | 87 | — | 99A | Jack Tudor | 13/2 |
| 2024 · 7 runs | ||||||||||
| 14 Nov 24+15d | Sedgefield | Woodlands Hospital Darlington - Circle Health Group Handicap Chase Settled in the pack on the rail - hit the third badly - pushed along entering the home bend - unbalanced two out while closing on the front-runner then unable to quicken into the last | 3/5 | 12 | 10-12 | 87 | — | 94B | Brian Hughes | 2/1 |
| 30 Oct 24+19d | Fakenham | Greene King Novices' Handicap Chase Sat close up early - pushed along after 3 out - dropped to third heading into the straight - fought back to second close home but no answer to winner | 2/6 | 2½ | 11-1 | 87 | 93A | 103B | Brian Hughes | 11/2 |
| 11 Oct 24+17d | Chepstow | David Pipe Racing Conditional Jockeys' Handicap Chase Sat close to the front group early - urged forward on the home turn - kept trying but outpaced from 4 out - finished fifth well beaten | 5/13 | 1½ | 10-3 | 90 | 86B | 97A | Dylan Johnston | 7/1 |
| 24 Sep 24+23d | Warwick | 175 Years Of Beers And Cheers Novices' Handicap Chase (GBB Race) Sat close to the pace early - driven and awkward 4 out then dropped away under pressure - held no chance from 2 out to finish fifth | 5/7 | 12 | 10-2 | 94 | 56A | 84B | Jack Tudor | 12/1 |
| 01 Sep 24+98d | Worcester | Neu-Servo Rapid Response Novices' Handicap Chase (GBB Race) Held up at back - urged forward past 5 out but dropped away - well beaten from there - eventually finished sixth | 6/7 | 15 | 11-2 | 98 | 80C | 89C | Jack Tudor | 16/1 |
| 26 May 24+45d | Fontwell | Star Sports Best Odds Guaranteed Handicap Hurdle | PU/8 | — | 11-5 | 101 | — | — | Jack Tudor | 17/2 |
| 11 Apr 24+110d | Taunton | Royal Ascot Lunch Saturday 22nd June Novices' Handicap Hurdle | 3/6 | 33 | 12-0 | 104 | 88C | 99C | Jack Tudor | 5/1 |
| 2023 · 4 runs | ||||||||||
| 23 Dec 23+31d | Ascot | Ascot Racecourse Supports Schools Photography Competition Novices' Handicap Hurdle (GBB Race) | 7/9 | ½ | 11-3 | 107 | 137B | 103A | Jack Tudor | 28/1 |
| 22 Nov 23+10d | Ffos Las | Sinclair Group Maiden Hurdle (GBB Race) | 4/6 | 5 | 11-4 | — | 91A | 111B | Nick Scholfield | 40/1 |
| 12 Nov 23+30d | Ffos Las | Download The DragonBet App Novices' Hurdle (GBB Race) | 6/8 | 12 | 11-0 | — | 84C | 96C | Jack Tudor | 22/1 |
| 13 Oct 23 | Chepstow | Chepstow Plant International Novices' Hurdle (GBB Race) | 6/12 | 2¼ | 11-0 | — | 109A | 104A | Jack Tudor | 40/1 |
Quick answers
- How many races has Illogical Logic won?
- Illogical Logic (FR) won 3 of 29 archived starts between 2023 and 2026, a strike rate of 10.3%. Placed 8 times in total (27.6% of starts).
- Who trains Illogical Logic?
- Illogical Logic (FR) is trained by David Thompson, who saddled the horse on its most recent run on 18 October 2026.
- Who is Illogical Logic's sire?
- Illogical Logic (FR) is by Coastal Path (GB) out of Vierge Sainte (FR), whose sire is Robin Des Champs.
- What going does Illogical Logic prefer?
- Illogical Logic (FR) has the best record on good going: 3 wins from 15 starts (20%). Only going bands with at least three archived starts are read, so this is a direction rather than a settled preference.
- What is Illogical Logic's official rating?
- The most recent official rating on record is 88, from the run on 18 October 2026. The highest on record is 107.
- What is Illogical Logic's sire's record?
- Coastal Path (GB)'s progeny in our archive have won 12.8% of 2,207 runs since Jan 2008 (247 horses), Flat and jumps together. Strongest over 1m5f – 2m (all codes): 16.8% from 499. Weakest over 2m5f – 3m (all codes): 7.1% from 495.
- Who are Illogical Logic's siblings?
- Out of Vierge Sainte (FR), Illogical Logic (FR) has 4 other produce in our archive, 1 of them a winner. Most wins: Grace De Dieu (FR) (2). The wins came over 2m2f. As at Oct 2026.