Wesaidneveragain (IRE)
Wesaidneveragain (IRE) is yet to win from 25 starts, though has placed 6 times. Best effort: 2nd of 15 at Ballinrobe (May 2008).
- 0–25Wins / Runs
- 0%Strike rate
- 6 (24%)Placed
- −25.00£1 level staken=25 at SP
- 0.00Fair A/E n=25 · 0.00 incl. margin
- 67Highest OR
- 47dAvg between runs
A/E compares actual wins with what starting prices implied. "Fair" strips the bookmaker margin from the expectation, so favourites and longshots are judged on the same footing — figures near 1.00 mean the market priced this horse about right.
KTB Speed and Rating
No KTB Speed figures for this horse. The engine scores GB and Irish racing from Oct 2016; runs elsewhere, or earlier, have no figure.
KTB Speed v1 · batch 15 Sep 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 0 figures from 0 runs · a record, not a forecast
Both figures are KTB's own, computed from the archive; no vendor rating enters either. Every run's figure is on its form line below with its grade. Grades measure how much the archive could see, never the merit of the run.
Run style is derived from in-running commentary, which our data provider does not supply for this horse's races.
Pedigree intelligence
Progeny in our archive have won 10.6% of 4,951 runs since Jan 2008 (362 horses).
Weakest on heavy going: 7.6% from 277. Weakest over 2m1f – 2m4f (all codes): 6.8% from 266.
| Going | Runs | Wins | SR | vs sire | This horse |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Firm | 34 | 4 | 11.8% | +1.2 | — |
| Good to Firm | 750 | 83 | 11.1% | +0.5 | 0 from 4 |
| Good | 1,087 | 99 | 9.1% | −1.5 | 0 from 8 |
| Good to Soft | 573 | 56 | 9.8% | −0.8 | 0 from 3 |
| Soft | 769 | 68 | 8.8% | −1.8 | 0 from 6 |
| Heavy | 277 | 21 | 7.6% | −3 | 0 from 4 |
| Standard (AW) | 1,461 | 192 | 13.1% | +2.5 | — |
| Distance (all codes) | Runs | Wins | SR | vs sire | This horse |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Under 6f | 240 | 28 | 11.7% | +1.1 | 0 from 2 |
| 6f – 7f | 1,590 | 190 | 11.9% | +1.3 | 0 from 11 |
| 1m – 1m1f | 1,227 | 132 | 10.8% | +0.2 | 0 from 7 |
| 1m2f – 1m4f | 836 | 90 | 10.8% | +0.2 | 0 from 3 |
| 1m5f – 2m | 667 | 55 | 8.2% | −2.4 | 0 from 2 |
| 2m1f – 2m4f | 266 | 18 | 6.8% | −3.8 | — |
| 2m5f – 3m | 107 | 9 | 8.4% | −2.2 | — |
| Over 3m | 18 | 1 | 5.6% | −5 | — |
Flat and jumps together (all codes) · since Jan 2008 · as at 22 Oct 2026 · rows under 30 runs muted · win % is the measure, a record not a forecast
5 siblings in the archive, 3 winners — best of them Esoterica (IRE) (9 wins).
The wins came over 7f–1m; the highest grade won is Class 2 (Esoterica (IRE)).
| Produce | Runs | Wins | Win trips | Best grade |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Esoterica (IRE) | 69 | 9 | 7f–1m | Class 2 |
| Michael's Nook (GB) | 36 | 3 | 7f | Class 6 |
| Big Mystery (IRE) | 8 | 1 | 7f | Class 7 |
| Alex Zara (GB) | 2 | 0 | — | — |
| Erris Lady (GB) | 3 | 0 | — | — |
Record by conditions
| Going | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Good | 8 | 0 | 0% | −8.00 |
| Soft | 6 | 0 | 0% | −6.00 |
| Heavy | 4 | 0 | 0% | −4.00 |
| Good to Firm | 4 | 0 | 0% | −4.00 |
| Good to Soft | 3 | 0 | 0% | −3.00 |
| Course | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Tipperary | 4 | 0 | 0% | −4.00 |
| Ballinrobe | 3 | 0 | 0% | −3.00 |
| Killarney | 3 | 0 | 0% | −3.00 |
| Gowran Park | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Limerick | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Cork | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Listowel | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Clonmel | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Wexford | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Thurles | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Galway | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Roscommon | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Tralee | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Naas | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Distance | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 6f – 7f | 11 | 0 | 0% | −11.00 |
| 1m – 1m1f | 7 | 0 | 0% | −7.00 |
| 1m2f – 1m4f | 3 | 0 | 0% | −3.00 |
| 1m5f – 2m | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Under 6f | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Jockey | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Shane Gorey | 4 | 0 | 0% | −4.00 |
| D J Moran | 4 | 0 | 0% | −4.00 |
| Conor O'Farrell | 3 | 0 | 0% | −3.00 |
| Joseph O'Brien | 3 | 0 | 0% | −3.00 |
| Fran Berry | 3 | 0 | 0% | −3.00 |
| Emmet McNamara | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| D J Casey | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| P Shanahan | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Niall P Madden | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| James Sullivan | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Oliver Casey | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Colm O'Donoghue | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Headgear | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| None | 20 | 0 | 0% | −20.00 |
| Cheekpieces | 5 | 0 | 0% | −5.00 |
| Season | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2009 | 6 | 0 | 0% | −6.00 |
| 2008 | 8 | 0 | 0% | −8.00 |
| 2007 | 10 | 0 | 0% | −10.00 |
| 2006 | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Type | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Flat | 23 | 0 | 0% | −23.00 |
| Hurdle | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
Splits include every sample, however small — muted rows are under 3 runs. A one-from-one record is a fact, not a trend: read the Runs column before the strike rate.
Form
| Date | Course | Race | Pos | Btn | Wgt | OR | KTB | Jockey | SP |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 21 Sep 09+14d | Ballinrobe | Tote Placepot Races 1 To 6 Maiden Hurdle (Div 2) | 11/14 | 7 | 10-13 | — | 76A | Conor O'Farrell | 25/1 |
| 07 Sep 09+20d | Clonmel | Derrinstown Stud Apprentice Claiming Race | 4/10 | 3½ | 8-12 | 60 | 59A | Joseph O'Brien | 4/1 |
| 18 Aug 09+9d | Killarney | Tadgh Clifford Groundcare Handicap (50-80) | 4/15 | hd | 8-2 | 61 | 64A | Joseph O'Brien | 10/1 |
| 09 Aug 09+16d | Tipperary | Derrinstown Stud Apprentice Handicap (47-65) | 4/16 | 4 | 9-11 | 61 | 74A | Joseph O'Brien | 6/1 |
| 24 Jul 09+11d | Wexford | Blackstairs Claiming Race | 4/15 | shd | 9-1 | 61 | 75A | Conor O'Farrell | 10/1 |
| 13 Jul 09+204d | Killarney | Derrinstown Stud Apprentice Claiming Race | 4/11 | ¾ | 8-12 | 61 | 76A | Conor O'Farrell | 20/1 |
| 21 Dec 08+51d | Thurles | Moycarkey Maiden Hurdle | 13/18 | 2½ | 11-2 | — | 92C | D J Casey | 25/1 |
| 31 Oct 08+3d | Gowran Park | Barrowvale Handicap (rated 50-70) | 9/16 | 1 | 9-4 | 65 | 61A | Emmet McNamara | 12/1 |
| 28 Oct 08+86d | Limerick | Adare Handicap (50-70) | 5/14 | ¾ | 9-4 | 65 | 82A | Emmet McNamara | 16/1 |
| 03 Aug 08+44d | Galway | Parknasilla Hotel Handicap (50-70) | 12/16 | 3½ | 9-9 | 65 | 51A | Fran Berry | 12/1 |
| 20 Jun 08+12d | Limerick | Paulaner Alcohol Free Beer Handicap (50-70) | 9/14 | ½ | 9-10 | 65 | 63A | P Shanahan | 7/1 |
| 08 Jun 08+13d | Roscommon | Dermot Hughes Toyota Car Sales Handicap (50-80) | 4/14 | 1½ | 8-13 | 65 | 80A | Fran Berry | 7/1 |
| 26 May 08+13d | Ballinrobe | Tom 'The Deadly' Brennan Handicap (55-75) | 2/15 | 1¾ | 9-2 | 63 | 89A | Fran Berry | 11/2 |
| 13 May 08+206d | Killarney | O'Keefe O'Shea O'Connor Solicitors Handicap (45-60) | 2/15 | nk | 9-12 | 58 | 95A | Niall P Madden | 16/1 |
| 20 Oct 07+16d | Cork | Derrinstown Stud Apprentice Handicap (60-75) | 11/16 | nk | 8-11 | 63 | 47C | James Sullivan | 14/1 |
| 04 Oct 07+12d | Gowran Park | Kilkenny Racing Festival 4/6 Oct. Handicap (60-90) | 10/14 | 1 | 8-1 | 67 | 59C | Shane Gorey | 10/1 |
| 22 Sep 07+5d | Listowel | Charlie Chute Memorial Handicap (50-70) | 13/13 | 5 | 8-10 | 61 | 30C | Oliver Casey | 11/2 |
| 17 Sep 07+24d | Listowel | Bank Of Ireland Handicap (47-70) | 2/14 | 1½ | 9-0 | 61 | 77C | Shane Gorey | 8/1 |
| 24 Aug 07+18d | Tralee | Ballybeggan Racegoers Club Handicap (50-80) | 5/15 | shd | 8-5 | 61 | 56C | D J Moran | 5/1F |
| 06 Aug 07+15d | Naas | Naas Handicap (42-60) | 2/20 | hd | 9-4 | 57 | 79C | Shane Gorey | 4/1F |
| 22 Jul 07+35d | Tipperary | Mark Maher Construction Handicap (42-70) | 3/18 | 1¼ | 8-6 | 56 | 71C | Shane Gorey | 20/1 |
| 17 Jun 07+19d | Cork | Golden Olive Maiden | 11/15 | 2½ | 9-2 | — | 48C | D J Moran | 50/1 |
| 29 May 07+4d | Ballinrobe | BA Morley Memorial (C&G) Maiden | 10/11 | 3½ | 9-0 | — | 30C | Colm O'Donoghue | 20/1 |
| 25 May 07+274d | Tipperary | Primus Advertising (C&G) Maiden | 5/7 | 1 | 8-9 | — | 60C | D J Moran | 50/1 |
| 24 Aug 06 | Tipperary | Irish Stallion Farms E.B.F. Maiden | 13/16 | 5½ | 8-12 | — | 43C | D J Moran | 33/1 |
Quick answers
- How many races has Wesaidneveragain (IRE) won?
- Wesaidneveragain (IRE) has yet to win, from 25 archived starts between 2006 and 2009. Placed 6 times in total (24% of starts).
- Who trained Wesaidneveragain (IRE)?
- Wesaidneveragain (IRE) was trained by Augustine Leahy on the most recent run on record, at Ballinrobe on 21 September 2009.
- Who is Wesaidneveragain (IRE)'s sire?
- Wesaidneveragain (IRE) is by Intikhab (USA) out of Mysterious Plans (IRE), whose sire is Last Tycoon.
- What is Wesaidneveragain (IRE)'s official rating?
- Wesaidneveragain (IRE)'s highest official rating on record is 67.
- What is Wesaidneveragain (IRE)'s sire's record?
- Intikhab (USA)'s progeny in our archive have won 10.6% of 4,951 runs since Jan 2008 (362 horses), Flat and jumps together. Weakest on heavy going: 7.6% from 277. Weakest over 2m1f – 2m4f (all codes): 6.8% from 266.
- Who are Wesaidneveragain (IRE)'s siblings?
- Out of Mysterious Plans (IRE), Wesaidneveragain (IRE) has 5 other produce in our archive, 3 of them winners. Most wins: Esoterica (IRE) (9). Highest grade won: Class 2 (Esoterica (IRE)). The wins came over 7f–1m. As at Oct 2026.