Whatsforuwontgobyu (IRE)
Whatsforuwontgobyu (IRE) is 3 from 27. Hasn't won since Dec 2015. All 3 wins have come over 1m5f – 2m.
- 3–27Wins / Runs
- 11.1%Strike rate
- 4 (14.8%)Placed
- −17.15£1 level staken=27 at SP
- 1.20Fair A/E n=27 · 0.92 incl. margin
- 127Highest OR
- 36dBetween runs (median)longest 392 d
A/E compares actual wins with what starting prices implied. "Fair" strips the bookmaker margin from the expectation, so favourites and longshots are judged on the same footing — figures near 1.00 mean the market priced this horse about right.
KTB Speed and Rating
Best recent Speed —
How fast the horse ran, as points against the day-corrected standard time for its course and distance: 100 is the median GB Class 4 handicap winner on that code; one point is 0.1% of the standard time. A, B or C is how much the day's card could tell us, not how good the run was. What this means →
| Going | Runs | Best | Median | Since 6 Nov 2025 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Good | 2 | 106C | 94.5 | — |
| Soft | 2 | 88C | 64 | — |
| Heavy | 1 | — | — | — |
| Distance | Runs | Best | Median | Since 6 Nov 2025 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1m2f – 1m4f | 3 | 88C | 83 | — |
| 2m1f – 2m4f | 2 | 120C | 113 | — |
Of 10 runs looked at, 4 have no figure: not enough races on the card to set the day (under 4) (3) · did not complete (1).
KTB Speed v1 · batch 15 Sep 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 6 figures from 10 runs · as at 3 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast
Both figures are KTB's own, computed from the archive; no vendor rating enters either. Every run's figure is on its form line below with its grade. Grades measure how much the archive could see, never the merit of the run.
Run style is derived from in-running commentary, which our data provider does not supply for this horse's races.
Pedigree intelligence
Progeny in our archive have won 12.6% of 1,923 runs since Apr 2008 (156 horses).
| Going | Runs | Wins | SR | vs sire | This horse |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Good to Firm | 25 | 1 | 4% | −8.6 | — |
| Good | 491 | 61 | 12.4% | −0.2 | 0 from 7 |
| Good to Soft | 344 | 40 | 11.6% | −1 | 0 from 2 |
| Soft | 695 | 90 | 12.9% | +0.3 | 2 from 16 |
| Heavy | 360 | 50 | 13.9% | +1.3 | 1 from 2 |
| Standard (AW) | 8 | 1 | 12.5% | −0.1 | — |
| Distance (all codes) | Runs | Wins | SR | vs sire | This horse |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Under 6f | 1 | 0 | 0% | −12.6 | — |
| 6f – 7f | 3 | 0 | 0% | −12.6 | 0 from 1 |
| 1m – 1m1f | 3 | 0 | 0% | −12.6 | 0 from 1 |
| 1m2f – 1m4f | 14 | 2 | 14.3% | +1.7 | 0 from 5 |
| 1m5f – 2m | 572 | 73 | 12.8% | +0.2 | 3 from 13 |
| 2m1f – 2m4f | 695 | 77 | 11.1% | −1.5 | 0 from 4 |
| 2m5f – 3m | 504 | 71 | 14.1% | +1.5 | 0 from 3 |
| Over 3m | 131 | 20 | 15.3% | +2.7 | — |
Flat and jumps together (all codes) · since Apr 2008 · as at 5 Nov 2026 · rows under 30 runs muted · win % is the measure, a record not a forecast
7 siblings in the archive, 2 winners — best of them Chemical Energy (IRE) (6 wins).
The wins came over 2m–3m½f; the highest grade won is Class 2 (Chemical Energy (IRE)).
| Produce | Runs | Wins | Win trips | Best grade |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Chemical Energy (IRE) | 28 | 6 | 2m–3m½f | Class 2 |
| Marlee Massie (IRE) | 29 | 6 | 2m4f–2m6½f | Class 4 |
| The Flying Doc (IRE) | 18 | 0 | — | — |
| Jessmae (IRE) | 8 | 0 | — | — |
| Katie's Oscar (IRE) | 2 | 0 | — | — |
| Oscar Town (IRE) | 6 | 0 | — | — |
| Let Them At It (IRE) | 2 | 0 | — | — |
Record by conditions
| Going | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Soft | 16 | 2 | 13% | −11.65 |
| Good | 7 | 0 | 0% | −7.00 |
| Heavy | 2 | 1 | 50% | +3.50 |
| Good to Soft | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Class | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Class 3 | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Course | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Killarney | 4 | 0 | 0% | −4.00 |
| Leopardstown | 4 | 1 | 25% | +1.50 |
| Sligo | 3 | 1 | 33% | −0.90 |
| Punchestown | 3 | 0 | 0% | −3.00 |
| Galway | 2 | 1 | 50% | +0.25 |
| Down Royal | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Curragh | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Leicester | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Galway (IRE) | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Fairyhouse | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Listowel | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Gowran Park | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Thurles | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Navan | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Distance | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1m5f – 2m | 13 | 3 | 23% | −3.15 |
| 1m2f – 1m4f | 5 | 0 | 0% | −5.00 |
| 2m1f – 2m4f | 4 | 0 | 0% | −4.00 |
| 2m5f – 3m | 3 | 0 | 0% | −3.00 |
| 6f – 7f | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| 1m – 1m1f | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Jockey | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Oisin Orr | 5 | 0 | 0% | −5.00 |
| Mark Walsh | 5 | 1 | 20% | −2.90 |
| Niall P Madden | 4 | 0 | 0% | −4.00 |
| Fran Berry | 4 | 1 | 25% | −1.75 |
| Donagh Meyler | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Richie McLernon | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Jody McGarvey | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| N G McCullagh | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Barry Geraghty | 1 | 1 | 100% | +4.50 |
| Emmet McNamara | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Tom Madden | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Mr J J Codd | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Headgear | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| None | 22 | 3 | 14% | −12.15 |
| Tongue tie | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Hood | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Cheekpieces | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Season | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2018 | 5 | 0 | 0% | −5.00 |
| 2017 | 5 | 0 | 0% | −5.00 |
| 2016 | 3 | 0 | 0% | −3.00 |
| 2015 | 8 | 3 | 38% | +1.85 |
| 2014 | 6 | 0 | 0% | −6.00 |
| Type | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Hurdle | 14 | 2 | 14% | −6.40 |
| Flat | 13 | 1 | 8% | −10.75 |
Splits include every sample, however small — muted rows are under 3 runs. A one-from-one record is a fact, not a trend: read the Runs column before the strike rate.
Form
| Date | Course | Race | Pos | Btn | Wgt | OR | Spd | KTB | Jockey | SP |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2018 · 5 runs | ||||||||||
| 28 Dec 18+145d | Leicester | Leicestershire Bronze Fox Handicap Hurdle | 10/11 | 27 | 11-11 | 124 | 63C | 93C | Richie McLernon | 40/1 |
| 05 Aug 18+18d | Galway | JPK Fencing Handicap (50-75) | 12/16 | ½ | 9-1 | 65 | — | 60A | Oisin Orr | 16/1 |
| 18 Jul 18+57d | Killarney | Killarney Park Hotel Handicap | 6/12 | 1 | 9-0 | 66 | 106C | 72A | Oisin Orr | 12/1 |
| 22 May 18+8d | Sligo | Hyundai Santa Fe Handicap | 7/14 | 2½ | 9-3 | 69 | 40C | 66A | Oisin Orr | 11/1 |
| 14 May 18+248d | Killarney | Easy Clean Limited Handicap Hurdle | PU/15 | — | 10-12 | 118 | — | — | Jody McGarvey | 25/1 |
| 2017 · 5 runs | ||||||||||
| 08 Sep 17+34d | Down Royal | West Coast Cooler Fashion Week Ulster Cesarewitch Handicap | 4/15 | 2¾ | 9-4 | 75 | 120C | 78A | Oisin Orr | 9/2 |
| 05 Aug 17+17d | Galway (IRE) | Galway Shopping Centre Handicap Hurdle | 12/20 | 5½ | 9-11 | 122 | — | 98C | Niall P Madden | 14/1 |
| 19 Jul 17+19d | Killarney | Bet Through The Racing Post App Handicap Hurdle | 6/8 | 1¾ | 11-1 | 123 | — | 108A | Donagh Meyler | 7/1 |
| 30 Jun 17+19d | Curragh | Hackett Apprentice Derby | 15/19 | nk | 9-9 | 76 | 83C | 71A | Oisin Orr | 5/1 |
| 11 Jun 17+392d | Curragh | www.trm-ireland.com Handicap | 6/14 | hd | 8-11 | 76 | 88C | 73A | N G McCullagh | 33/1 |
| 2016 · 3 runs | ||||||||||
| 15 May 16+47d | Killarney | Ladbrokes Ireland Handicap Hurdle (grade B) | PU/16 | — | 10-7 | 125 | — | — | Niall P Madden | 25/1 |
| 29 Mar 16+72d | Fairyhouse | Farmhouse Foods Handicap Hurdle (Grade B) | 13/15 | 51 | 10-3 | 126 | — | 91C | Niall P Madden | 20/1 |
| 17 Jan 16+20d | Leopardstown | Coral.ie Hurdle (Extended Handicap 0-150) (Grade B) | 8/23 | 1¼ | 10-6 | 127 | — | 128A | Mark Walsh | 12/1 |
| 2015 · 8 runs | ||||||||||
| 28 Dec 15+44d | Leopardstown | Irish Daily Star Christmas Novice Handicap Hurdle | 1/13 | 11-4 | 117 | — | 139A | Barry Geraghty | 9/2 | |
| 14 Nov 15+21d | Punchestown | Cavan Supporters Club Supporting Cavan GAA Novice Handicap Hurdle (80-123) | 9/11 | 5½ | 11-3 | 118 | — | 98A | Donagh Meyler | 8/1 |
| 24 Oct 15+37d | Leopardstown | Dr. Walter Halley Lifetime Achievement Handicap | 18/20 | ½ | 10-3 | 83 | — | 74A | Fran Berry | 8/1 |
| 17 Sep 15+46d | Listowel | Ladbrokes Island Handicap Hurdle (Grade B) | 8/8 | 16 | 10-8 | 119 | — | 77C | Mark Walsh | 9/2 |
| 02 Aug 15+74d | Galway | Jpk Fencing Handicap (50-70) | 1/16 | 9-3 | 59 | — | 85A | Fran Berry | 5/4F | |
| 20 May 15+16d | Sligo | Sligo Gaa Race Day 18th August Maiden Hurdle | 1/11 | 11-4 | — | — | 127A | Mark Walsh | 11/10F | |
| 04 May 15+23d | Down Royal | Bet With The Tote Maiden Hurdle | 4/20 | 1½ | 11-4 | — | — | 126A | Niall P Madden | 40/1 |
| 11 Apr 15+135d | Gowran Park | Societies Welcome At Gowran Park Golf Club (C & G) Maiden | 8/16 | nse | 10-0 | — | — | 63A | Fran Berry | 25/1 |
| 2014 · 6 runs | ||||||||||
| 27 Nov 14+32d | Thurles | Cahir Maiden Hurdle | 12/18 | 15 | 11-2 | — | — | 102C | Mark Walsh | 50/1 |
| 26 Oct 14+4d | Leopardstown | Download The Tote Mobile App Maiden | 18/20 | 5 | 9-9 | — | — | 53C | Emmet McNamara | 66/1 |
| 22 Oct 14+77d | Navan | Bet Online At Thetote.com Maiden | 12/18 | hd | 9-13 | — | — | 68C | Fran Berry | 20/1 |
| 06 Aug 14+63d | Sligo | Sligo Weekender Apprentice Maiden | 4/10 | 7½ | 9-3 | — | — | 63A | Tom Madden | 4/1 |
| 04 Jun 14+36d | Punchestown | Festival Dreams Begin In Ireland With Irish Thoroughbred Marketing Maiden Hurdle | 10/25 | nk | 11-4 | — | — | 84C | Mark Walsh | 5/2J |
| 29 Apr 14 | Punchestown | Goffs Land Rover Bumper | 3/19 | 2¼ | 11-4 | — | — | 78B | Mr J J Codd | 8/1 |
Quick answers
- How many races has Whatsforuwontgobyu won?
- Whatsforuwontgobyu (IRE) won 3 of 27 archived starts between 2014 and 2018, a strike rate of 11.1%. Placed 4 times in total (14.8% of starts).
- Who trained Whatsforuwontgobyu?
- Whatsforuwontgobyu (IRE) was trained by Jonjo O'Neill on the most recent run on record, at Leicester on 28 December 2018.
- Who is Whatsforuwontgobyu's sire?
- Whatsforuwontgobyu (IRE) is by Well Chosen (GB) out of Meadstown Miss (IRE), whose sire is Flemensfirth.
- What going does Whatsforuwontgobyu prefer?
- Whatsforuwontgobyu (IRE) has the best record on soft going: 2 wins from 16 starts (12.5%). Only going bands with at least three archived starts are read, so this is a direction rather than a settled preference.
- What is Whatsforuwontgobyu's official rating?
- The most recent official rating on record is 124, from the run on 28 December 2018. The highest on record is 127.
- What is Whatsforuwontgobyu's sire's record?
- Well Chosen (GB)'s progeny in our archive have won 12.6% of 1,923 runs since Apr 2008 (156 horses), Flat and jumps together.
- Who are Whatsforuwontgobyu's siblings?
- Out of Meadstown Miss (IRE), Whatsforuwontgobyu (IRE) has 7 other produce in our archive, 2 of them winners. Most wins: Chemical Energy (IRE) (6). Highest grade won: Class 2 (Chemical Energy (IRE)). The wins came over 2m–3m½f. As at Nov 2026.