Horse profile
Us And Them (IRE)
by Stowaway (GB) out of Manorville (IRE) (Flemensfirth)
40 runs · 26 courses · from Mar 2017
As at 28 Oct 2026 · KTB archive: GB, Ireland & France · 2005–present, updated daily
No run recorded since 25 Mar 2025 — 582 days ago. Our archive can't say whether the horse is still in training.
Last run Mar 2025 · 11th of 14
3 wins · Navan, Punchestown & Cork
Headgear returns LTO
Last raced off OR 100
KTB Profile
Us And Them won three of 40 starts on turf between Nov 2017 and Nov 2018. Two of those wins came over 1m5f to 2m on heavy ground at Punchestown and Cork while the third came at Navan over 2m1f to 2m4f on good ground. The gelding was aged 12 at his last run in Mar 2025 when he finished 11 of 14 in a Class 5 handicap hurdle at Taunton off an official rating of 100. Headgear returned at that run.
Based on 40 archived runs · run-style from 2 commented runs since Feb 2025 · updated 28 Oct 2026
KTB at a glance
OR ↓ 52lb off peak
- 3–40Wins / Runs
- 7.5%Strike rate
- 14 (35%)Placed
- −19.00£1 level staken=40 at SP
- 0.79Fair A/E n=40 · 0.68 incl. margin
- 152Highest OR
- 75dAvg between runs
A/E compares actual wins with what starting prices implied. "Fair" strips the bookmaker margin from the expectation, so favourites and longshots are judged on the same footing — figures near 1.00 mean the market priced this horse about right.
Official rating100↓ 52lb off peak
100
100–152
KTB Speed and Rating
KTB Speed
Best recent Speed 88
How fast the horse ran, as points against the day-corrected standard time for its course and distance: 100 is the median GB Class 4 handicap winner on that code; one point is 0.1% of the standard time. A, B or C is how much the day's card could tell us, not how good the run was. What this means →
Jumps
| Going | Runs | Best | Median | Since 28 Oct 2025 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Soft | 11 | 114B | 72 | — |
| Good | 8 | 118C | 77.5 | — |
| Good to Soft | 5 | 113C | 95 | — |
| Heavy | 4 | 123C | 105.5 | — |
| Distance | Runs | Best | Median | Since 28 Oct 2025 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1m5f – 2m | 14 | 123C | 77 | — |
| 2m1f – 2m4f | 11 | 113A | 77 | — |
| 2m5f – 3m | 3 | 118C | 107 | — |
Of 40 runs looked at, 12 have no figure: did not complete (7) · obstacles omitted — the race ran a shortened course (4) · not enough races on the card to set the day (under 4) (1).
KTB Speed v1 · batch 15 Sep 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 28 figures from 40 runs · as at 3 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast
Both figures are KTB's own, computed from the archive; no vendor rating enters either. Every run's figure is on its form line below with its grade. Grades measure how much the archive could see, never the merit of the run.
Pedigree intelligence
Sire
Stowaway (GB)
Progeny in our archive have won 11.3% of 7,190 runs since Jan 2008 (561 horses).
Strongest on good to firm going: 16.1% from 124.
| Going | Runs | Wins | SR | vs sire | This horse |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Firm | 2 | 0 | 0% | −11.3 | — |
| Good to Firm | 124 | 20 | 16.1% | +4.8 | — |
| Good | 2,201 | 247 | 11.2% | −0.1 | 1 from 13 |
| Good to Soft | 1,218 | 144 | 11.8% | +0.5 | 0 from 6 |
| Soft | 2,353 | 272 | 11.6% | +0.3 | 0 from 16 |
| Heavy | 1,256 | 129 | 10.3% | −1 | 2 from 5 |
| Standard (AW) | 36 | 1 | 2.8% | −8.5 | — |
| Distance (all codes) | Runs | Wins | SR | vs sire | This horse |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 6f – 7f | 1 | 0 | 0% | −11.3 | — |
| 1m – 1m1f | 3 | 0 | 0% | −11.3 | — |
| 1m2f – 1m4f | 21 | 0 | 0% | −11.3 | — |
| 1m5f – 2m | 1,993 | 232 | 11.6% | +0.3 | 2 from 19 |
| 2m1f – 2m4f | 2,488 | 281 | 11.3% | 0 | 1 from 17 |
| 2m5f – 3m | 2,119 | 247 | 11.7% | +0.4 | 0 from 4 |
| Over 3m | 565 | 53 | 9.4% | −1.9 | — |
Flat and jumps together (all codes) · since Jan 2008 · as at 28 Oct 2026 · rows under 30 runs muted · win % is the measure, a record not a forecast
Dam
Manorville (IRE) (Flemensfirth)
3 siblings in the archive, 2 winners — best of them Mad Mike (IRE) (1 win).
The wins came over 2m5½f–3m; the highest grade won is Class 4 (Mad Mike (IRE)).
| Produce | Runs | Wins | Win trips | Best grade |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Mad Mike (IRE) | 6 | 1 | 2m5½f | Class 4 |
| Veshenskaya (IRE) | 16 | 1 | 3m | Class 5 |
| Donnytwobuckets (IRE) | 2 | 0 | — | — |
Record by conditions
| Going | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Soft | 16 | 0 | 0% | −16.00 |
| Good | 13 | 1 | 8% | −7.00 |
| Good to Soft | 6 | 0 | 0% | −6.00 |
| Heavy | 5 | 2 | 40% | +10.00 |
| Class | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Class 1 | 7 | 0 | 0% | −7.00 |
| Class 2 | 5 | 0 | 0% | −5.00 |
| Class 4 | 4 | 0 | 0% | −4.00 |
| Class 5 | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Course | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Cheltenham | 5 | 0 | 0% | −5.00 |
| Punchestown | 3 | 1 | 33% | +1.00 |
| Fairyhouse | 3 | 0 | 0% | −3.00 |
| Navan | 3 | 1 | 33% | +3.00 |
| Leopardstown | 3 | 0 | 0% | −3.00 |
| Wexford | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Cork | 2 | 1 | 50% | +9.00 |
| Taunton | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Warwick | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Sedgefield | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Fakenham | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Leicester | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Chepstow | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Ludlow | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Exeter | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Uttoxeter | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Plumpton | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Stratford | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Kilbeggan | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Tramore | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Killarney | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Galway | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Gowran Park | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Aintree | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Limerick | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Thurles | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Distance | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1m5f – 2m | 19 | 2 | 11% | −4.00 |
| 2m1f – 2m4f | 17 | 1 | 6% | −11.00 |
| 2m5f – 3m | 4 | 0 | 0% | −4.00 |
| Jockey | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| J J Slevin | 21 | 3 | 14% | +0.00 |
| Tom O'Brien | 4 | 0 | 0% | −4.00 |
| James Best | 3 | 0 | 0% | −3.00 |
| Charlie Hammond | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Shane Shortall | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Danny McMenamin | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| A P Heskin | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| L P Dempsey | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Jody McGarvey | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Keith Donoghue | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Mr Derek O'Connor | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Mr T Hamilton | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Mr P W Mullins | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Headgear | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| None | 12 | 3 | 25% | +9.00 |
| Tongue tie + blinkers | 11 | 0 | 0% | −11.00 |
| Tongue tie | 10 | 0 | 0% | −10.00 |
| Tongue tie + cheekpieces | 4 | 0 | 0% | −4.00 |
| Blinkers | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Cheekpieces | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Season | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2025 | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| 2023 | 3 | 0 | 0% | −3.00 |
| 2022 | 5 | 0 | 0% | −5.00 |
| 2021 | 6 | 0 | 0% | −6.00 |
| 2020 | 6 | 0 | 0% | −6.00 |
| 2019 | 7 | 0 | 0% | −7.00 |
| 2018 | 5 | 1 | 20% | +1.00 |
| 2017 | 6 | 2 | 33% | +9.00 |
| Type | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Chase | 28 | 1 | 4% | −22.00 |
| Hurdle | 9 | 2 | 22% | +6.00 |
| NH Flat | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Flat | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
Splits include every sample, however small — muted rows are under 3 runs. A one-from-one record is a fact, not a trend: read the Runs column before the strike rate.
Form
| Date | Course | Race | Pos | Btn | Wgt | OR | Spd | KTB | Jockey | SP |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2025 · 2 runs | ||||||||||
| 25 Mar 25+32d | Taunton | Paddy Kenneally Cillas Cottage 1955 Winner Handicap Hurdle Settled close to the pace - dropped away steadily after 3 out - well held at the finish | 11/14 | 3¾ | 12-0 | 100 | 78C | 91C | Charlie Hammond | 100/1 |
| 21 Feb 25+463d | Warwick | JCB Hydradig Handicap Hurdle Held up at the back - made no impression - dropped away and pulled up before 2 out | PU/11 | — | 11-10 | 106 | — | — | Charlie Hammond | 150/1 |
| 2023 · 3 runs | ||||||||||
| 16 Nov 23+244d | Sedgefield | Betting Sites Ltd At bettingsites.ltd.uk Handicap Chase | 5/5 | 27 | 12-0 | 120 | 21C | 100C | Danny McMenamin | 40/1 |
| 17 Mar 23+44d | Fakenham | Country Food Trust Claiming Hurdle | 3/5 | 3½ | 11-9 | 122 | 113C | 118B | James Best | 16/1 |
| 01 Feb 23+36d | Leicester | Leicester Racecourse Ideal Self-hire Wedding Venue Claiming Hurdle | 4/8 | 22 | 12-0 | 129 | — | 93C | A P Heskin | 9/1 |
| 2022 · 5 runs | ||||||||||
| 27 Dec 22+7d | Chepstow | Coral Racing Club Handicap Hurdle (GBB Race) | PU/10 | — | 11-11 | 134 | — | — | James Best | 150/1 |
| 20 Dec 22+46d | Ludlow | Tanners Champagne Handicap Chase (GBB Race) | PU/9 | — | 12-0 | 139 | — | — | James Best | 80/1 |
| 04 Nov 22+131d | Exeter | Betway Haldon Gold Cup (Grade 2 Limited Handicap Chase) (GBB Race) | PU/5 | — | 10-6 | 140 | — | — | Tom O'Brien | 50/1 |
| 26 Jun 22+49d | Uttoxeter | bet365 Handicap Chase (GBB Race) | F/7 | — | 12-0 | 142 | — | — | Tom O'Brien | 25/1 |
| 08 May 22+294d | Plumpton | Betting.bet Sussex Champion Chase Handicap Chase (GBB Race) | UR/7 | — | 12-0 | 145 | — | — | J J Slevin | 20/1 |
| 2021 · 6 runs | ||||||||||
| 18 Jul 21+16d | Stratford | Mark & Jackie Nixon Ruby Wedding Chase Handicap Chase (GBB Race) | 3/4 | 7 | 11-12 | 148 | 84C | 126B | Tom O'Brien | 5/1 |
| 02 Jul 21+18d | Wexford | Good Enuf To Eat Catering Handicap Chase | 8/9 | 16 | 11-10 | 146 | 76C | 112C | J J Slevin | 12/1 |
| 14 Jun 21+15d | Kilbeggan | Galway Races Galway Plate Trial Handicap Chase | 5/8 | 3½ | 11-10 | 146 | 77A | 128A | L P Dempsey | 9/1 |
| 30 May 21+42d | Punchestown | Ladbrokes Handicap Chase | 2/10 | ¾ | 11-8 | 143 | 88A | 145A | J J Slevin | 16/1 |
| 18 Apr 21+32d | Tramore | Tramore Racecourse Directors Chase | 2/5 | 8½ | 11-8 | 143 | 118C | 130B | J J Slevin | 13/2 |
| 17 Mar 21+109d | Cheltenham | Johnny Henderson Grand Annual Challenge Cup Handicap Chase (Grade 3) (GBB Race) | 11/19 | 2¼ | 11-1 | 147 | 49B | 118A | J J Slevin | 14/1 |
| 2020 · 6 runs | ||||||||||
| 28 Nov 20+41d | Fairyhouse | Easyfix Equine Handicap Chase (Grade B) | 7/11 | 7 | 11-7 | 145 | 66C | 120A | J J Slevin | 13/2 |
| 18 Oct 20+57d | Cork | coopsuperstores.ie Handicap Chase (Grade B) | F/8 | — | 11-7 | 146 | — | — | J J Slevin | 13/2 |
| 22 Aug 20+24d | Killarney | Download The BoyleSports App Handicap Chase (Grade B) | 8/12 | 3 | 11-10 | 148 | 68A | 120A | J J Slevin | 14/1 |
| 29 Jul 20+138d | Galway | Tote Galway Plate (handicap Chase) (grade A) | 13/21 | 7 | 11-1 | 149 | 107C | 115C | J J Slevin | 22/1 |
| 13 Mar 20+62d | Cheltenham | Johnny Henderson Grand Annual Challenge Cup Handicap Chase (Grade 3) | 3/18 | 3½ | 11-5 | 148 | 54B | 136A | J J Slevin | 10/1 |
| 11 Jan 20+35d | Fairyhouse | Dan & Joan Moore Memorial Handicap Chase (Grade A) | 8/14 | 3¼ | 11-7 | 149 | 85C | 121C | Jody McGarvey | 10/1 |
| 2019 · 7 runs | ||||||||||
| 07 Dec 19+21d | Navan | Foxrock Handicap Chase (0-150) (Grade B) | 8/12 | 29 | 11-10 | 150 | 4C | 128C | J J Slevin | 6/1 |
| 16 Nov 19+42d | Cheltenham | BetVictor Gold Cup Handicap Chase (Grade 3) | 7/17 | 15 | 11-12 | 152 | — | 115C | J J Slevin | 7/1 |
| 05 Oct 19+156d | Gowran Park | PWC Champion Chase (Grade 2) | 3/8 | hd | 11-3 | 151 | 72A | 137A | J J Slevin | 4/1 |
| 02 May 19+26d | Punchestown | Ryanair Novice Chase (grade 1) | UR/7 | — | 11-10 | 151 | — | — | Shane Shortall | 16/1 |
| 06 Apr 19+25d | Aintree | Doom Bar Maghull Novices' Chase (Grade 1) | 2/7 | 1¾ | 11-4 | 151 | 73B | 147A | J J Slevin | 3/1J |
| 12 Mar 19+38d | Cheltenham | Racing Post Arkle Challenge Trophy Novices' Chase (Grade 1) | 2/12 | 13 | 11-4 | 152 | 76A | 138A | J J Slevin | 14/1 |
| 02 Feb 19+38d | Leopardstown | Frank Ward Solicitors Arkle Novice Chase (Grade 1) | 2/6 | 7 | 11-10 | 148 | — | 131B | J J Slevin | 11/1 |
| 2018 · 5 runs | ||||||||||
| 26 Dec 18+18d | Leopardstown | Racing Post Novice Chase (Grade 1) | 2/6 | 4½ | 11-12 | — | 113A | 128B | Shane Shortall | 16/1 |
| 08 Dec 18+27d | Navan | Irish Stallion Farms EBF Klairon Davis Novice Chase (Grade 3) | 2/5 | 10 | 11-0 | — | 77C | 124C | J J Slevin | 11/4 |
| 11 Nov 18+13d | Navan | Irish Stallion Farms EBF Beginners Chase | 1/9 | 11-12 | — | 42A | 135A | J J Slevin | 5/1 | |
| 29 Oct 18+230d | Wexford | IRIS First For Racing Footage In Ireland Beginners Chase | 4/11 | 6 | 11-12 | — | 64A | 132A | Tom O'Brien | 3/1 |
| 13 Mar 18+75d | Cheltenham | Sky Bet Supreme Novices' Hurdle (Grade 1) | 12/19 | 19 | 11-7 | 136 | 63C | 106C | J J Slevin | 28/1 |
| 2017 · 6 runs | ||||||||||
| 28 Dec 17+18d | Limerick | Irish Independent Hurdle (Grade 3) | 2/4 | 2½ | 11-3 | — | 123C | 145B | Keith Donoghue | 9/2 |
| 10 Dec 17+21d | Punchestown | Buy Your 2018 Annual Membership Rated Novice Hurdle | 1/4 | 10-11 | — | 110C | 132B | J J Slevin | 3/1 | |
| 19 Nov 17+24d | Cork | www.racinghomeforeaster.com Maiden Hurdle | 1/23 | 11-4 | — | 101B | 136A | J J Slevin | 10/1 | |
| 26 Oct 17+193d | Thurles | Munster Flat Race | 3/15 | 4¾ | 11-10 | — | 114B | 129A | Mr Derek O'Connor | 13/8F |
| 16 Apr 17+42d | Fairyhouse | Tattersalls Ireland George Mernagh Memorial Sales Bumper | 4/11 | dht | 10-13 | — | 95A | 127A | Mr T Hamilton | 12/1 |
| 05 Mar 17 | Leopardstown | Trm Excellence In Equine Nutrition (pro/am) Flat Race | 2/6 | 7½ | 11-5 | — | — | 73C | Mr P W Mullins | 11/4 |
Quick answers
- How many races has Us And Them won?
- Us And Them (IRE) won 3 of 40 archived starts between 2017 and 2025, a strike rate of 7.5%. Placed 14 times in total (35% of starts).
- Who trained Us And Them?
- Us And Them (IRE) was trained by Joe Ponting on the most recent run on record, at Taunton on 25 March 2025.
- Who is Us And Them's sire?
- Us And Them (IRE) is by Stowaway (GB) out of Manorville (IRE), whose sire is Flemensfirth.
- What going does Us And Them prefer?
- Us And Them (IRE) has the best record on heavy going: 2 wins from 5 starts (40%). Only going bands with at least three archived starts are read, so this is a direction rather than a settled preference.
- What is Us And Them's official rating?
- The most recent official rating on record is 100, from the run on 25 March 2025. The highest on record is 152.
- What is Us And Them's sire's record?
- Stowaway (GB)'s progeny in our archive have won 11.3% of 7,190 runs since Jan 2008 (561 horses), Flat and jumps together. Strongest on good to firm going: 16.1% from 124.
- Who are Us And Them's siblings?
- Out of Manorville (IRE), Us And Them (IRE) has 3 other produce in our archive, 2 of them winners. Most wins: Mad Mike (IRE) (1). Highest grade won: Class 4 (Mad Mike (IRE)). The wins came over 2m5½f–3m. As at Oct 2026.