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Dont Have It Then (GB)

6yo gelding (at last run, Oct 2017) · Last trainer J F Levins · Last owner Esteem Racing Club
by Myboycharlie (IRE) out of Mondovi (GB) (Kyllachy)
43 runs · 18 courses · from Jun 2013
As at 4 Nov 2026 · KTB archive: GB, Ireland & France · 2005–present, updated daily
No run recorded since 20 Oct 2017 — 3,302 days ago. Our archive can't say whether the horse is still in training.
Last run Oct 2017 · 13th of 13 4 wins · Kempton (AW), Goodwood & Lingfield (AW) Headgear returns LTO Last raced off OR 55
KTB Profile

Dont Have It Then (GB) is 4 from 43. Hasn't won since Dec 2014. All 4 wins have come over 6f – 7f. Last raced off 55, 26lb below the career-high mark.

Based on 43 archived runs · updated 4 Nov 2026
KTB at a glance OR ↓ 26lb off peak
Official rating55↓ 26lb off peak
55 49–81

KTB Speed and Rating

KTB Speed

Best recent Speed 89 the best of the last 3 graded (A or B) runs · Dundalk (AW), 16 Mar 2017

How fast the horse ran, as points against the day-corrected standard time for its course and distance: 100 is the median GB Class 4 handicap winner on that code; one point is 0.1% of the standard time. A, B or C is how much the day's card could tell us, not how good the run was. What this means →

Flat 12 figures · best 89B · median 68
GoingRunsBestMedianSince 4 Nov 2025
Standard (AW)789B75—
Good269C68—
Heavy1———
Soft1———
Good to Soft1———
DistanceRunsBestMedianSince 4 Nov 2025
6f – 7f875B60.5—
1m – 1m1f389B85—
Under 6f1———

KTB Speed v1 · batch 15 Sep 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 12 figures from 12 runs · as at 3 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast

KTB Rating

Best recent KTB Rating 57A the best of the last 3 rated runs · Curragh (IRE), 20 Aug 2017 Official rating 55 at the last run, 20 Oct 2017

What the horse achieved in each race, in pounds on the official-rating scale, from the weight carried, the lengths beaten and the race's own level solved across the archive — never the market, never the official rating as a starting point. The headline is the best of the horse's last three rated runs on that code — its best recent day. The KTB Rating on a racecard is a different reading of the same figures: the level the horse has been running to, an average of up to its last six runs with the latest counting most, so the two can differ. A, B or C on a run is how much known form was in that race. What this means →

Flat 43 figures · best 101A · median 63
GoingRunsBestMedianSince 4 Nov 2025
Standard (AW)2089A62—
Good9101A63—
Good to Firm873A64—
Good to Soft366A66—
Soft280A68.5—
Heavy1———
DistanceRunsBestMedianSince 4 Nov 2025
6f – 7f37101A63—
1m – 1m1f369A63—
Under 6f373A55—

KTB Rating v1 · batch 3 Oct 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 43 figures from 43 runs · as at 4 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast

Both figures are KTB's own, computed from the archive; no vendor rating enters either. Every run's figure is on its form line below with its grade. Grades measure how much the archive could see, never the merit of the run.

Run style is derived from in-running commentary, which our data provider does not supply for this horse's races.

Pedigree intelligence

Sire

Progeny in our archive have won 7.8% of 3,307 runs since Apr 2013 (315 horses).

Weakest on good to firm going: 4% from 225. Weakest at trips under 6f (all codes): 4.1% from 195.

GoingRunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
Firm18211.1%+3.3—
Good to Firm22594%−3.80 from 8
Good538458.4%+0.61 from 9
Good to Soft402287%−0.80 from 3
Soft506489.5%+1.70 from 2
Heavy230187.8%00 from 1
Standard (AW)1,3871087.8%03 from 20
Distance (all codes)RunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
Under 6f19584.1%−3.70 from 3
6f – 7f970747.6%−0.24 from 37
1m – 1m1f1,027767.4%−0.40 from 3
1m2f – 1m4f700628.9%+1.1—
1m5f – 2m219219.6%+1.8—
2m1f – 2m4f147138.8%+1—
2m5f – 3m4748.5%+0.7—
Over 3m200%−7.8—

Flat and jumps together (all codes) · since Apr 2013 · as at 4 Nov 2026 · rows under 30 runs muted · win % is the measure, a record not a forecast

Dam
Mondovi (GB) (Kyllachy)

5 siblings in the archive, 2 winners — best of them Rosina (GB) (6 wins).

The wins came over 5f–1m2f; the highest grade won is Class 3 (Rosina (GB)).

ProduceRunsWinsWin tripsBest grade
Rosina (GB)3465fClass 3
Clem A (GB)2051m–1m2fClass 3
Vignoni (GB)60——
Hypochondriac (GB)30——
High Shaw (GB)30——

Record by conditions

GoingRunsWinsSR£1
Standard (AW) 20 3 15% +5.00
Good 9 1 11% −4.50
Good to Firm 8 0 0% −8.00
Good to Soft 3 0 0% −3.00
Soft 2 0 0% −2.00
Heavy 1 0 0% −1.00

ClassRunsWinsSR£1
Class 5 15 2 13% −2.50
Class 4 10 1 10% −2.00
Class 3 3 0 0% −3.00
Class 6 3 1 33% +6.00
Class 2 1 0 0% −1.00

CourseRunsWinsSR£1
Dundalk (AW) 7 0 0% −7.00
Kempton (AW) 6 2 33% +10.00
Windsor 5 0 0% −5.00
Lingfield (AW) 5 1 20% +4.00
Newmarket 4 0 0% −4.00
Leicester 2 0 0% −2.00
Wolverhampton (AW) 2 0 0% −2.00
Nottingham 2 0 0% −2.00
Gowran Park 1 0 0% −1.00
Curragh (IRE) 1 0 0% −1.00
Curragh 1 0 0% −1.00
Fairyhouse 1 0 0% −1.00
Newbury 1 0 0% −1.00
Yarmouth 1 0 0% −1.00
Warwick 1 0 0% −1.00
Goodwood 1 1 100% +3.50
Beverley 1 0 0% −1.00
Sandown 1 0 0% −1.00

DistanceRunsWinsSR£1
6f – 7f 37 4 11% −7.50
1m – 1m1f 3 0 0% −3.00
Under 6f 3 0 0% −3.00

JockeyRunsWinsSR£1
Chris Catlin 7 2 29% +6.50
Robert Winston 7 1 14% +1.00
Sean Kirrane 5 0 0% −5.00
Stevie Donohoe 5 1 20% +3.00
Tom Queally 3 0 0% −3.00
Donagh O'Connor 2 0 0% −2.00
Ana O'Brien 2 0 0% −2.00
Tim Clark 2 0 0% −2.00
Jimmy Quinn 2 0 0% −2.00
J-P Guillambert 2 0 0% −2.00
Ronan Whelan 1 0 0% −1.00
Tom Madden 1 0 0% −1.00
Timmy Murphy 1 0 0% −1.00
William Carson 1 0 0% −1.00
Jim Crowley 1 0 0% −1.00
Kieren Fallon 1 0 0% −1.00

HeadgearRunsWinsSR£1
None 38 4 11% −8.50
Hood 3 0 0% −3.00
Cheekpieces 2 0 0% −2.00

SeasonRunsWinsSR£1
2017 11 0 0% −11.00
2016 4 0 0% −4.00
2015 10 0 0% −10.00
2014 13 4 31% +16.50
2013 5 0 0% −5.00

Splits include every sample, however small — muted rows are under 3 runs. A one-from-one record is a fact, not a trend: read the Runs column before the strike rate.

Form

DateCourseRace PosBtn Wgt ORSpdKTB Jockey SP
2017 · 11 runs
20 Oct 17+44d Dundalk (AW) Crowne Plaza Leading Jockey & Trainer Championship Handicap (45-65) (Div 1) 7f · Standard · 13 ran 13/13 1¼ 9-3 5539C28C Donagh O'Connor 11/1
06 Sep 17+17d Gowran Park Kilkenny Apprentice Handicap (45-65) 7f · Heavy · 16 ran 12/16 1¼ 8-5 4953C39C Sean Kirrane 8/1
20 Aug 17+2d Curragh (IRE) Breast Cancer Research Handicap 6½f · Soft · 26 ran 13/26 hd 7-13 5156C57A Sean Kirrane 16/1
18 Aug 17+11d Dundalk (AW) Bar One Racing Double The Odds Goalscorer Special Apprentice Handicap (45-65) 1m · Standard · 14 ran 5/14 ½ 9-0 5685B69A Sean Kirrane 25/1
07 Aug 17+33d Curragh Experience It With Racehorseownership.ie Handicap (45-70) 6f · Good · 30 ran 24/30 shd 8-11 5369C50A Ronan Whelan 16/1
05 Jul 17+56d Fairyhouse Purchase Fairyhouse Tickets Online Handicap (45-65) 6f · Good · 18 ran 16/18 nk 9-1 5467C45A Donagh O'Connor 10/1
10 May 17+55d Dundalk (AW) Hen & Stag Packages At Dundalk Stadium Handicap 1m · Standard · 14 ran 10/14 hd 8-8 6283B56A Ana O'Brien 50/1
16 Mar 17+6d Dundalk (AW) Happy St. Patrick's Day Handicap 1m · Standard · 14 ran 10/14 1¼ 9-3 6389B63A Tom Madden 40/1
10 Mar 17+21d Dundalk (AW) Kennedy's Bar, Dundalk Handicap (45-65) (Div 2) 6f · Standard · 14 ran 14/14 14 9-7 6329C41C Ana O'Brien 20/1
17 Feb 17+7d Dundalk (AW) Fast Shipping Ireland Ltd. Handicap (45-70) 5f · Standard · 14 ran 13/14 ¾ 9-4 6569B45A Sean Kirrane 22/1
10 Feb 17+129d Dundalk (AW) Bulmers Apprentice Handicap 7f · Standard · 14 ran 13/14 hd 9-1 6675B56A Sean Kirrane 50/1
2016 · 4 runs
04 Oct 16+22d Leicester Red Deer Handicap Class 5 · 6f · Good To Soft · 18 ran 12/18 shd 9-0 6365C66A Tom Queally 11/1
12 Sep 16+68d Kempton (AW) ApolloBet Free Sign-Up Bonus Handicap Class 5 · 6f · Standard To Slow · 7 ran 4/7 nse 9-3 66—67A Timmy Murphy 7/1
06 Jul 16+13d Kempton (AW) 32red Casino Handicap Class 4 · 6f · Standard · 11 ran 7/11 ¾ 9-0 68—61A Stevie Donohoe 20/1
23 Jun 16+215d Newbury Pump Technology Handicap (Str) Class 5 · 7f · Good To Soft · 13 ran 11/13 ½ 9-5 65—49C Stevie Donohoe 25/1
2015 · 10 runs
21 Nov 15+46d Wolverhampton (AW) Download The Ladbrokes App Handicap Class 5 · 7f · Standard · 11 ran 10/11 2½ 9-2 71—49C William Carson 11/1
06 Oct 15+39d Leicester Janet Taylor's 50th Birthday Handicap Class 5 · 6f · Soft · 13 ran 3/13 1¼ 9-0 66—80A Tim Clark 7/1
28 Aug 15+25d Newmarket trm-ireland.com Handicap (Jockey Club Grassroots Flat Sprint Series Qualifier) Class 4 · 6f · Good To Soft · 12 ran 4/12 hd 8-2 66—66A Tim Clark 25/1
03 Aug 15+14d Windsor Royal Berkshire Odd Fellows Handicap Class 4 · 6f · Good To Firm · 10 ran 10/10 2½ 8-8 67—42A Chris Catlin 40/1
20 Jul 15+30d Windsor Black Prince Community Trust Charity Handicap Class 4 · 6f · Good · 11 ran 9/11 ½ 8-11 70—57A Chris Catlin 16/1
20 Jun 15+26d Newmarket Pocket The Watch Handicap Class 4 · 6f · Good · 13 ran 11/13 1½ 9-2 73—63A Chris Catlin 20/1
25 May 15+22d Windsor Cash Out On The Betdaq+ App Handicap Class 4 · 6f · Good To Firm · 10 ran 4/10 4½ 8-11 75—68A Stevie Donohoe 14/1
03 May 15+13d Newmarket Havana Gold Handicap Class 2 · 6f · Good To Firm · 22 ran 18/22 ½ 8-0 80—55A Jimmy Quinn 66/1
20 Apr 15+13d Windsor Unibet Injury Time Insurance Is Back Handicap Class 3 · 6f · Good To Firm · 14 ran 10/14 hd 8-12 81—68A Robert Winston 8/1
07 Apr 15+120d Lingfield (AW) Avensys Handicap (Div 2) Class 4 · 6f · Standard · 9 ran 3/9 nk 9-6 79—86A Robert Winston 7/2
2014 · 13 runs
08 Dec 14+24d Kempton (AW) Download The BetVictor App Now Handicap (Div 2) Class 4 · 6f · Standard · 11 ran 1/11 9-2 75—89A Stevie Donohoe 7/1
14 Nov 14+44d Lingfield (AW) Unibet Handicap (Div 1) Class 5 · 6f · Standard · 10 ran 3/10 hd 9-7 75—87A Tom Queally 7/1
01 Oct 14+14d Nottingham Jockey Club Grassroots Sprint Series Final (Handicap) Class 3 · 6f · Good To Firm · 17 ran 12/17 1¼ 8-9 75—60A Jim Crowley 16/1
17 Sep 14+25d Yarmouth La Continental Cafe In Great Yarmouth Handicap Class 4 · 6f · Good · 7 ran 2/7 1½ 8-10 74—77A Stevie Donohoe 9/1
23 Aug 14+50d Newmarket Fly Thomson From London Southend Airport Handicap Class 3 · 6f · Good To Firm · 12 ran 6/12 1 8-6 75—72A Jimmy Quinn 16/1
04 Jul 14+14d Warwick Wigley Group Handicap (Jockey Club Grassroots Flat Sprint Series Qualifier) Class 4 · 6f · Good · 10 ran 3/10 2¼ 9-2 75—97A Chris Catlin 5/1
20 Jun 14+16d Goodwood Goodwood Farm Shop Handicap Class 5 · 6f · Good · 8 ran 1/8 9-6 68—101A Chris Catlin 7/2
04 Jun 14+30d Kempton (AW) Betdaq Supporting The Injured Jockeys Fund Handicap Class 5 · 6f · Standard · 10 ran 2/10 nse 9-3 66—79A Chris Catlin 5/1
05 May 14+32d Beverley Strawberry Sprint Handicap Class 5 · 5f · Good To Firm · 15 ran 6/15 1¼ 8-13 67—73A Robert Winston 7/1
03 Apr 14+50d Lingfield (AW) 32red Immortal Romance Slot Handicap Class 5 · 6f · Standard · 5 ran 3/5 1¾ 9-1 68—67B Robert Winston 6/1
12 Feb 14+12d Kempton (AW) BetBright - Live The Moment Handicap Class 5 · 6f · Standard · 10 ran 1/10 8-11 60—86A Robert Winston 7/1
31 Jan 14+23d Lingfield (AW) 32red On The App Store Handicap Class 6 · 6f · Standard · 11 ran 1/11 8-12 56—70A Chris Catlin 8/1
08 Jan 14+34d Lingfield (AW) 32red Handicap Class 6 · 6f · Standard · 11 ran 8/11 1 9-5 58—54A Robert Winston 4/1
2013 · 5 runs
05 Dec 13+114d Wolverhampton (AW) 32Red Casino Nursery Class 6 · 6f · Standard · 8 ran 6/8 3 9-4 62—53A Robert Winston 12/1
13 Aug 13+28d Nottingham SCL Blockfoil Nursery Class 5 · 6f · Good · 7 ran 6/7 7 8-11 65—43A Kieren Fallon 7/2
16 Jul 13+17d Kempton (AW) Sparks Innovation Fund / British Stallion Studs E.B.F. Maiden Stakes Class 5 · 6f · Standard · 11 ran 6/11 ½ 9-5 ——57A Tom Queally 12/1
29 Jun 13+23d Windsor Infineum Collaboration Maiden Stakes Class 5 · 6f · Good · 13 ran 6/13 shd 9-5 ——77A J-P Guillambert 100/1
06 Jun 13 Sandown West End Maiden Auction Stakes Class 5 · 5f · Good To Firm · 10 ran 8/10 1¼ 8-11 ——55A J-P Guillambert 100/1

Quick answers

How many races has Dont Have It Then won?
Dont Have It Then (GB) won 4 of 43 archived starts between 2013 and 2017, a strike rate of 9.3%. Placed 10 times in total (23.3% of starts).
Who trained Dont Have It Then?
Dont Have It Then (GB) was trained by J F Levins on the most recent run on record, at Dundalk (AW) on 20 October 2017.
Who is Dont Have It Then's sire?
Dont Have It Then (GB) is by Myboycharlie (IRE) out of Mondovi (GB), whose sire is Kyllachy.
What going does Dont Have It Then prefer?
Dont Have It Then (GB) has the best record on standard (aw) going: 3 wins from 20 starts (15%). Only going bands with at least three archived starts are read, so this is a direction rather than a settled preference.
What is Dont Have It Then's official rating?
The most recent official rating on record is 55, from the run on 20 October 2017. The highest on record is 81.
What is Dont Have It Then's sire's record?
Myboycharlie (IRE)'s progeny in our archive have won 7.8% of 3,307 runs since Apr 2013 (315 horses), Flat and jumps together. Weakest on good to firm going: 4% from 225. Weakest at trips under 6f (all codes): 4.1% from 195.
Who are Dont Have It Then's siblings?
Out of Mondovi (GB), Dont Have It Then (GB) has 5 other produce in our archive, 2 of them winners. Most wins: Rosina (GB) (6). Highest grade won: Class 3 (Rosina (GB)). The wins came over 5f–1m2f. As at Nov 2026.

Record shown from June 2013. Our archive holds racing in Great Britain, Ireland and France from January 2005. Any runs before that, or in other countries, are not in it. In-running comments are available from 2024 onward.