Horse profile
Men Don't Cry (IRE)
by Street Cry (IRE) out of Naissance Royale (IRE) (Giant's Causeway)
42 runs · 15 courses · from Aug 2011
As at 28 Oct 2026 · KTB archive: GB, Ireland & France · 2005–present, updated daily
No run recorded since 7 Oct 2014 — 4,403 days ago. Our archive can't say whether the horse is still in training.
Last run Oct 2014 · 7th of 8
4 wins · Ffos Las, Brighton & Lingfield
Last raced off OR 75
KTB Profile
Men Don't Cry (IRE) is 4 from 42, all wins coming at Class 6 level. Hasn't won since Jun 2014. All 4 wins have come on turf — 0 from 24 on the all-weather. All 4 wins have come over 1m2f – 1m4f. Last raced off a career-high mark of 75.
Based on 42 archived runs · updated 28 Oct 2026
KTB at a glance
All wins on turf
All wins at Class 6
OR at career high
- 4–42Wins / Runs
- 9.5%Strike rate
- 16 (38.1%)Placed
- −22.80£1 level staken=42 at SP
- 0.83Fair A/E n=41 · 0.70 incl. margin
- 75Highest OR
- 28dAvg between runs
A/E compares actual wins with what starting prices implied. "Fair" strips the bookmaker margin from the expectation, so favourites and longshots are judged on the same footing — figures near 1.00 mean the market priced this horse about right.
Official rating75At career-high mark
75
45–75
KTB Speed and Rating
KTB Speed
No KTB Speed figures for this horse. The engine scores GB and Irish racing from Oct 2016; runs elsewhere, or earlier, have no figure.
KTB Speed v1 · batch 15 Sep 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 0 figures from 0 runs · a record, not a forecast
Both figures are KTB's own, computed from the archive; no vendor rating enters either. Every run's figure is on its form line below with its grade. Grades measure how much the archive could see, never the merit of the run.
Run style is derived from in-running commentary, which our data provider does not supply for this horse's races.
Pedigree intelligence
Sire
Street Cry (IRE)
Progeny in our archive have won 12.7% of 4,258 runs since Jan 2008 (373 horses).
Strongest on standard (aw) going: 15.8% from 1,577. Weakest on heavy going: 6.9% from 131.
| Going | Runs | Wins | SR | vs sire | This horse |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Firm | 40 | 4 | 10% | −2.7 | — |
| Good to Firm | 727 | 94 | 12.9% | +0.2 | 3 from 13 |
| Good | 880 | 92 | 10.5% | −2.2 | 1 from 4 |
| Good to Soft | 427 | 46 | 10.8% | −1.9 | 0 from 1 |
| Soft | 476 | 48 | 10.1% | −2.6 | — |
| Heavy | 131 | 9 | 6.9% | −5.8 | — |
| Standard (AW) | 1,577 | 249 | 15.8% | +3.1 | 0 from 24 |
| Distance (all codes) | Runs | Wins | SR | vs sire | This horse |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Under 6f | 135 | 14 | 10.4% | −2.3 | — |
| 6f – 7f | 911 | 123 | 13.5% | +0.8 | 0 from 11 |
| 1m – 1m1f | 1,078 | 149 | 13.8% | +1.1 | 0 from 9 |
| 1m2f – 1m4f | 1,169 | 146 | 12.5% | −0.2 | 4 from 20 |
| 1m5f – 2m | 600 | 71 | 11.8% | −0.9 | 0 from 2 |
| 2m1f – 2m4f | 220 | 24 | 10.9% | −1.8 | — |
| 2m5f – 3m | 112 | 11 | 9.8% | −2.9 | — |
| Over 3m | 33 | 4 | 12.1% | −0.6 | — |
Flat and jumps together (all codes) · since Jan 2008 · as at 28 Oct 2026 · rows under 30 runs muted · win % is the measure, a record not a forecast
Dam
Naissance Royale (IRE) (Giant's Causeway)
7 siblings in the archive, 2 winners — best of them Olympe (FR) (2 wins).
The wins came over 5f–1m; the highest grade won is Class 5 (Coolmeen Royal (FR)).
| Produce | Runs | Wins | Win trips | Best grade |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Olympe (FR) | 7 | 2 | 7½f–1m | — |
| Coolmeen Royal (FR) | 38 | 1 | 5f | Class 5 |
| Name Dropping (IRE) | 3 | 0 | — | — |
| Jadhaba (IRE) | 1 | 0 | — | — |
| Satono Elpis (FR) | 1 | 0 | — | — |
| Grace Shelby (FR) | 3 | 0 | — | — |
| Lady Regent (FR) | 4 | 0 | — | — |
Record by conditions
| Going | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Standard (AW) | 24 | 0 | 0% | −24.00 |
| Good to Firm | 13 | 3 | 23% | +4.00 |
| Good | 4 | 1 | 25% | −1.80 |
| Good to Soft | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Class | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Class 6 | 31 | 4 | 13% | −11.80 |
| Class 5 | 7 | 0 | 0% | −7.00 |
| Class 4 | 4 | 0 | 0% | −4.00 |
| Course | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Wolverhampton (AW) | 10 | 0 | 0% | −10.00 |
| Kempton (AW) | 7 | 0 | 0% | −7.00 |
| Lingfield (AW) | 6 | 0 | 0% | −6.00 |
| Brighton | 4 | 1 | 25% | +0.00 |
| Ffos Las | 3 | 2 | 67% | +9.20 |
| Pontefract | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Lingfield | 2 | 1 | 50% | +1.00 |
| Salisbury | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Bath | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Nottingham | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Southwell (AW) | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Chepstow | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Yarmouth | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Leicester | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Newmarket | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Distance | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1m2f – 1m4f | 20 | 4 | 20% | −0.80 |
| 6f – 7f | 11 | 0 | 0% | −11.00 |
| 1m – 1m1f | 9 | 0 | 0% | −9.00 |
| 1m5f – 2m | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Jockey | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Liam Keniry | 12 | 0 | 0% | −12.00 |
| Mark Coumbe | 9 | 1 | 11% | +1.00 |
| Oisin Murphy | 5 | 2 | 40% | +2.00 |
| Chris Catlin | 4 | 0 | 0% | −4.00 |
| Declan Bates | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Charlie Bennett | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Megan Carberry | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| David Parkes | 1 | 1 | 100% | +1.20 |
| Frederik Tylicki | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Alice Mills | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Tom Queally | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Simon Pearce | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Eddie Ahern | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Adam Kirby | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| George Baker | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Headgear | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Blinkers | 21 | 1 | 5% | −11.00 |
| None | 18 | 3 | 17% | −8.80 |
| Visor | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Cheekpieces | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Season | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2014 | 11 | 3 | 27% | −1.80 |
| 2013 | 15 | 1 | 7% | −5.00 |
| 2012 | 13 | 0 | 0% | −13.00 |
| 2011 | 3 | 0 | 0% | −3.00 |
Splits include every sample, however small — muted rows are under 3 runs. A one-from-one record is a fact, not a trend: read the Runs column before the strike rate.
Form
| Date | Course | Race | Pos | Btn | Wgt | OR | KTB | Jockey | SP |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2014 · 11 runs | |||||||||
| 07 Oct 14+12d | Kempton (AW) | Titanbet.co.uk Handicap | 7/8 | 1 | 9-6 | 75 | 65A | Declan Bates | 20/1 |
| 25 Sep 14+14d | Pontefract | Watch On 3 Devices Racinguk.com/anywhere Apprentice Handicap | 3/6 | shd | 9-12 | 75 | 86B | Charlie Bennett | 9/2 |
| 11 Sep 14+14d | Wolverhampton (AW) | Sponsor A Race By Calling 01902 390000 Handicap | 2/12 | ¾ | 9-8 | 74 | 91A | Declan Bates | 22/1 |
| 28 Aug 14+21d | Lingfield (AW) | Owain Withers 21st Birthday Handicap (AWT) | 4/7 | 4 | 9-7 | 75 | 78A | Oisin Murphy | 5/1 |
| 07 Aug 14+5d | Brighton | Frosts4cars.co.uk Brighton Challenge Cup (handicap) | 11/12 | 1¾ | 9-1 | 70 | 54C | Oisin Murphy | 15/2 |
| 02 Aug 14+6d | Lingfield (AW) | 188Bet Casino Handicap (AWT) | 2/5 | 1 | 10-0 | 70 | 87B | Oisin Murphy | 11/10F |
| 27 Jul 14+27d | Pontefract | Moor Top Farm Shop Hemsworth Handicap | 4/7 | 1¼ | 9-7 | 70 | 73A | Megan Carberry | 3/1F |
| 30 Jun 14+6d | Ffos Las | Racing Excellence Apprentice Training Series Handicap | 1/7 | 9-12 | 61 | 85A | David Parkes | 6/5F | |
| 24 Jun 14+14d | Brighton | Pipecenter.co.uk Handicap | 1/7 | 9-4 | 61 | 92A | Oisin Murphy | 3/1 | |
| 10 Jun 14+20d | Salisbury | ROA Owners Jackpot Handicap | 4/7 | hd | 8-12 | 61 | 64A | Frederik Tylicki | 9/2 |
| 21 May 14+179d | Lingfield | Daily Mail Handicap | 1/9 | 9-2 | 58 | 79A | Oisin Murphy | 2/1F | |
| 2013 · 15 runs | |||||||||
| 23 Nov 13+10d | Wolverhampton (AW) | Coral App Download From The App Store Handicap | 2/12 | hd | 9-7 | 60 | 95A | Mark Coumbe | 11/2 |
| 13 Nov 13+14d | Kempton (AW) | Book Now For Boxing Day Handicap | 2/12 | 2 | 9-1 | 59 | 81A | Mark Coumbe | 7/1 |
| 30 Oct 13+11d | Kempton (AW) | Book The Restaurant For Boxing Day Handicap | 2/14 | 6 | 9-7 | 60 | 74A | Mark Coumbe | 15/2 |
| 19 Oct 13+19d | Wolverhampton (AW) | 32redpoker.com Handicap | 3/11 | 1¾ | 9-9 | 60 | 79A | Mark Coumbe | 4/1 |
| 30 Sep 13+14d | Bath | M J Church Handicap (Div 1) | 6/11 | nk | 9-4 | 55 | 62A | Mark Coumbe | 4/1 |
| 16 Sep 13+14d | Wolverhampton (AW) | 32RedBingo.com Handicap | 2/11 | ¾ | 9-8 | 56 | 87A | Liam Keniry | 9/2J |
| 02 Sep 13+12d | Ffos Las | 32Red On The App Store Handicap | 3/7 | ¾ | 9-3 | 54 | 72A | Mark Coumbe | 3/1 |
| 21 Aug 13+29d | Lingfield | Lingfield Park Owners Group Handicap | 3/10 | 1¾ | 9-2 | 53 | 72A | Mark Coumbe | 11/4J |
| 23 Jul 13+17d | Ffos Las | 32red Casino Handicap | 1/8 | 8-9 | 45 | 80A | Mark Coumbe | 9/1 | |
| 06 Jul 13+5d | Nottingham | AJA Ladies' Handicap (Lady Amateur Riders) | 6/16 | ½ | 9-4 | 45 | 61A | Alice Mills | 12/1 |
| 01 Jul 13+20d | Wolverhampton (AW) | Follow Us On Twitter At BetVictorRacing Handicap (Div 1) | 2/12 | ¾ | 9-4 | 50 | 73A | Chris Catlin | 11/1 |
| 11 Jun 13+7d | Lingfield (AW) | Lingfield Park Owners Group Handicap | 4/13 | 1¼ | 9-0 | 51 | 66A | Mark Coumbe | 8/1 |
| 04 Jun 13+15d | Lingfield (AW) | Lingfield Park Supports Young Epilepsy Handicap | 7/12 | nk | 8-12 | 51 | 65A | Tom Queally | 8/1 |
| 20 May 13+28d | Southwell (AW) | BetVictor Champions League Final Money Back Handicap | 5/13 | 3¾ | 8-7 | 53 | 69A | Simon Pearce | 20/1 |
| 22 Apr 13+152d | Kempton (AW) | Mascot Grand National 06.05.13 Classified Stakes | 8/13 | shd | 9-8 | 54 | 62A | Liam Keniry | 6/1 |
| 2012 · 13 runs | |||||||||
| 21 Nov 12+13d | Lingfield (AW) | Thakeham Homes Lingfield Handicap (Div 2) | 4/11 | ¾ | 9-3 | 55 | 75A | Liam Keniry | 14/1 |
| 08 Nov 12+13d | Lingfield (AW) | Freebets.co.uk Free Bets Handicap | 8/11 | nk | 9-2 | 57 | 58A | Liam Keniry | 14/1 |
| 26 Oct 12+7d | Wolverhampton (AW) | Breeders' Cup Live Only On ATR Handicap | 4/12 | ¾ | 9-1 | 56 | 70A | Liam Keniry | 9/2 |
| 19 Oct 12+16d | Wolverhampton (AW) | 32Red Supporting British Racing Handicap (Div 2) | 2/10 | ½ | 9-1 | 56 | 70A | Chris Catlin | 8/1 |
| 03 Oct 12+20d | Kempton (AW) | Book Your Christmas Party At Kempton Handicap | 3/14 | nse | 9-2 | 55 | 75A | Liam Keniry | 40/1 |
| 13 Sep 12+36d | Chepstow | 32Red Casino Handicap | 11/11 | 2¾ | 8-10 | 48 | 32A | Chris Catlin | 25/1 |
| 08 Aug 12+9d | Brighton | Alice Ryan Memorial Handicap | 7/10 | 1½ | 9-2 | 52 | 53A | Liam Keniry | 12/1 |
| 30 Jul 12+20d | Wolverhampton (AW) | Like Us On Facebook Wolverhampton Racecourse Handicap | 10/13 | nk | 9-0 | 58 | 62A | Eddie Ahern | 22/1 |
| 10 Jul 12+14d | Wolverhampton (AW) | wolverhampton-racecourse.co.uk Handicap | 11/13 | nk | 9-3 | 60 | 53A | Liam Keniry | 14/1 |
| 26 Jun 12+21d | Brighton | Brighton And Hove Streamline Taxis Handicap | 11/16 | 2¾ | 8-13 | 55 | 43C | Liam Keniry | 25/1 |
| 05 Jun 12+8d | Yarmouth | Oddschecker.Mobi Handicap | 14/16 | 10 | 9-7 | 60 | 57C | Liam Keniry | 16/1 |
| 28 May 12+14d | Kempton (AW) | Kempton Live Handicap | 5/14 | 1 | 9-7 | 60 | 75A | Liam Keniry | 16/1 |
| 14 May 12+251d | Wolverhampton (AW) | Ladbrokes Casino Handicap (Div 1) | 3/11 | ½ | 9-7 | 60 | 71A | Liam Keniry | 8/1 |
| 2011 · 3 runs | |||||||||
| 06 Sep 11+13d | Leicester | British Stallion Studs E.B.F. Apollo Maiden Stakes | 13/13 | ½ | 9-3 | — | 49C | Chris Catlin | 25/1 |
| 24 Aug 11+12d | Kempton (AW) | British Stallion Studs Supporting British Racing E.b.f. Maiden Stakes | 8/13 | hd | 9-0 | — | 69A | Adam Kirby | 100/1 |
| 12 Aug 11 | Newmarket | Sunspot Amusements, Southend E.b.f. Maiden Stakes | 13/14 | 1¾ | 9-3 | — | 57C | George Baker | 25/1 |
Quick answers
- How many races has Men Don't Cry won?
- Men Don't Cry (IRE) won 4 of 42 archived starts between 2011 and 2014, a strike rate of 9.5%. Placed 16 times in total (38.1% of starts).
- Who trained Men Don't Cry?
- Men Don't Cry (IRE) was trained by Ed de Giles on the most recent run on record, at Kempton (AW) on 7 October 2014.
- Who is Men Don't Cry's sire?
- Men Don't Cry (IRE) is by Street Cry (IRE) out of Naissance Royale (IRE), whose sire is Giant's Causeway.
- What going does Men Don't Cry prefer?
- Men Don't Cry (IRE) has the best record on good going: 1 win from 4 starts (25%). Only going bands with at least three archived starts are read, so this is a direction rather than a settled preference.
- What is Men Don't Cry's official rating?
- The most recent official rating on record is 75, from the run on 7 October 2014. That is also the highest on record.
- What is Men Don't Cry's sire's record?
- Street Cry (IRE)'s progeny in our archive have won 12.7% of 4,258 runs since Jan 2008 (373 horses), Flat and jumps together. Strongest on standard (aw) going: 15.8% from 1,577. Weakest on heavy going: 6.9% from 131.
- Who are Men Don't Cry's siblings?
- Out of Naissance Royale (IRE), Men Don't Cry (IRE) has 7 other produce in our archive, 2 of them winners. Most wins: Olympe (FR) (2). Highest grade won: Class 5 (Coolmeen Royal (FR)). The wins came over 5f–1m. As at Oct 2026.