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Horse profile

No Say Ever (GB)

8yo gelding (at last run, Oct 2024) · Last trainer Miss Amanda Mooney · Last owner N Reynolds
by No Nay Never (USA) out of Edallora (IRE) (Refuse To Bend)
25 runs · 10 courses · from May 2019
As at 5 Nov 2026 · KTB archive: GB, Ireland & France · 2005–present, updated daily
No run recorded since 11 Oct 2024 — 754 days ago. Our archive can't say whether the horse is still in training.
Last run Oct 2024 · 6th of 6 3 wins · Dundalk (AW), Leopardstown & Gowran Park Headgear returns LTO Last raced off OR 79
KTB Profile

No Say Ever won three of 25 starts, all in handicaps, with two at 1m2f – 1m4f on good to soft and standard going and one at 1m5f – 2m on heavy. He won at Dundalk, Leopardstown and Gowran Park. The gelding, who was aged 8 at his last run in Oct 2024, finished sixth of six at Dundalk that month on his first run in headgear. He last won in Sep 2022.

Based on 25 archived runs · run-style from 3 commented runs since Sep 2024 · updated 5 Nov 2026
KTB at a glance OR ↓ 8lb off peak
Official rating79↓ 8lb off peak
79 72–87

KTB Speed and Rating

KTB Speed

Best recent Speed 98 the best of the last 3 graded (A or B) runs · Dundalk (AW), 2 Dec 2022

How fast the horse ran, as points against the day-corrected standard time for its course and distance: 100 is the median GB Class 4 handicap winner on that code; one point is 0.1% of the standard time. A, B or C is how much the day's card could tell us, not how good the run was. What this means →

Flat 25 figures · best 123C · median 88
GoingRunsBestMedianSince 5 Nov 2025
Good7117C104—
Standard (AW)5106A91—
Soft5123C107—
Heavy4116C78.5—
Good to Soft388A76—
Good to Firm1———
DistanceRunsBestMedianSince 5 Nov 2025
1m2f – 1m4f15123C90—
1m5f – 2m7116C81—
1m – 1m1f2107C89.5—
2m1f – 2m4f1———

KTB Speed v1 · batch 15 Sep 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 25 figures from 25 runs · as at 3 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast

KTB Rating

Best recent KTB Rating 83A the best of the last 3 rated runs · Curragh, 5 Oct 2024 Official rating 79 at the last run, 11 Oct 2024

What the horse achieved in each race, in pounds on the official-rating scale, from the weight carried, the lengths beaten and the race's own level solved across the archive — never the market, never the official rating as a starting point. The headline is the best of the horse's last three rated runs on that code — its best recent day. The KTB Rating on a racecard is a different reading of the same figures: the level the horse has been running to, an average of up to its last six runs with the latest counting most, so the two can differ. A, B or C on a run is how much known form was in that race. What this means →

Flat 25 figures · best 91A · median 76
GoingRunsBestMedianSince 5 Nov 2025
Good784A75—
Standard (AW)591A69—
Soft583A76—
Heavy486A79—
Good to Soft390A72—
Good to Firm1———
DistanceRunsBestMedianSince 5 Nov 2025
1m2f – 1m4f1591A76—
1m5f – 2m786A79—
1m – 1m1f283A71—
2m1f – 2m4f1———

KTB Rating v1 · batch 3 Oct 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 25 figures from 25 runs · as at 4 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast

Both figures are KTB's own, computed from the archive; no vendor rating enters either. Every run's figure is on its form line below with its grade. Grades measure how much the archive could see, never the merit of the run.

Run style from 3 analysed runs since Sep 2024

  • Prominent 2 (67%) · 0 wins
  • Held up 1 (33%) · 0 wins

Pedigree intelligence

Sire

Progeny in our archive have won 12.1% of 6,362 runs since Apr 2018 (708 horses).

Weakest on good to soft going: 9.1% from 618. Weakest over 1m5f – 2m (all codes): 7.5% from 186.

GoingRunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
Firm16531.3%+19.2—
Good to Firm92712213.2%+1.10 from 1
Good1,49018112.1%00 from 7
Good to Soft618569.1%−31 from 3
Soft85111012.9%+0.80 from 5
Heavy2853713%+0.91 from 4
Standard (AW)2,17525911.9%−0.21 from 5
Distance (all codes)RunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
Under 6f91512313.4%+1.3—
6f – 7f3,40744313%+0.9—
1m – 1m1f1,18913111%−1.10 from 2
1m2f – 1m4f583549.3%−2.82 from 15
1m5f – 2m186147.5%−4.61 from 7
2m1f – 2m4f7756.5%−5.60 from 1
2m5f – 3m500%−12.1—

Flat and jumps together (all codes) · since Apr 2018 · as at 5 Nov 2026 · rows under 30 runs muted · win % is the measure, a record not a forecast

Dam
Edallora (IRE) (Refuse To Bend)

1 sibling in the archive, 1 winner — best of them Made For You (GB) (6 wins).

The wins came over 1m7½f–2m7f; the highest grade won is Class 4 (Made For You (GB)).

ProduceRunsWinsWin tripsBest grade
Made For You (GB)4261m7½f–2m7fClass 4

Record by conditions

GoingRunsWinsSR£1
Good 7 0 0% −7.00
Standard (AW) 5 1 20% +46.00
Soft 5 0 0% −5.00
Heavy 4 1 25% +1.00
Good to Soft 3 1 33% +5.00
Good to Firm 1 0 0% −1.00

ClassRunsWinsSR£1
Class 2 1 0 0% −1.00

CourseRunsWinsSR£1
Dundalk (AW) 5 1 20% +46.00
Leopardstown 5 1 20% +3.00
Curragh 3 0 0% −3.00
Galway 3 0 0% −3.00
Gowran Park 3 1 33% +2.00
Naas 2 0 0% −2.00
Haydock 1 0 0% −1.00
Navan 1 0 0% −1.00
Fairyhouse 1 0 0% −1.00
Cork 1 0 0% −1.00

DistanceRunsWinsSR£1
1m2f – 1m4f 15 2 13% +44.00
1m5f – 2m 7 1 14% −2.00
1m – 1m1f 2 0 0% −2.00
2m1f – 2m4f 1 0 0% −1.00

JockeyRunsWinsSR£1
Shane Foley 4 1 25% +1.00
Nathan Crosse 4 1 25% +47.00
Ms N A Kane 3 1 33% +5.00
Killian Leonard 3 0 0% −3.00
John Shinnick 2 0 0% −2.00
Tom Madden 2 0 0% −2.00
Franny Norton 1 0 0% −1.00
Mr H C Swan 1 0 0% −1.00
Oisin Orr 1 0 0% −1.00
Mikey Sheehy 1 0 0% −1.00
Ben Coen 1 0 0% −1.00
Danny Sheehy 1 0 0% −1.00
Colin Keane 1 0 0% −1.00

HeadgearRunsWinsSR£1
None 16 2 13% +43.00
Hood 9 1 11% −4.00

SeasonRunsWinsSR£1
2024 3 0 0% −3.00
2022 8 1 13% +43.00
2021 3 1 33% +5.00
2020 5 1 20% +0.00
2019 6 0 0% −6.00

Splits include every sample, however small — muted rows are under 3 runs. A one-from-one record is a fact, not a trend: read the Runs column before the strike rate.

Form

DateCourseRace PosBtn Wgt ORSpdKTB Jockey SP
2024 · 3 runs
11 Oct 24+6d Dundalk (AW) Halloween Mid-Term Racing At Dundalk Handicap (70-100) 1m4f · Standard · 6 ran Sat close to the pace travelling keenly - third at halfway - urged forward early in the straight - lost touch and slipped back over a furlong out - allowed to finish in own time 6/6 8½ 9-3 7969A56B Shane Foley 7/1
05 Oct 24+28d Curragh Newbridge Silverware Ladies Trophy (Q.R.) Handicap 1m4f · Good · 15 ran Sat close behind the pacesetter early - into 7th with 4f left before finding a bit more ground over 3f out - stayed on at one gallop late to finish fifth 5/15 ½ 10-9 80117C83A Ms N A Kane 22/1
07 Sep 24+645d Haydock Betfair Exchange Old Borough Cup Handicap Class 2 · 1m6f · Good · 15 ran Held up towards the back - under pressure and losing touch with over 2f left - well held at the finish 13/15 1½ 8-3 8265C65C Franny Norton 80/1
2022 · 8 runs
02 Dec 22+21d Dundalk (AW) Christmas Party Nights At Dundalk Stadium Handicap 1m4f · Standard · 9 ran 8/9 5½ 9-6 8798A69A Shane Foley 9/1
11 Nov 22+5d Dundalk (AW) William Hill Racing Radio Handicap 1m4f · Standard · 14 ran 4/14 ½ 9-11 8790B88A Nathan Crosse 10/1
06 Nov 22+37d Naas Colm White Bookmaker November Handicap (Premier Handicap) 2m · Heavy · 20 ran 20/20 48 8-10 8772C72C Nathan Crosse 50/1
30 Sep 22+46d Dundalk (AW) William Hill Play Responsibly Handicap (70-100) 1m4f · Standard · 9 ran 1/9 8-11 82106A91A Nathan Crosse 50/1
15 Aug 22+21d Dundalk (AW) Irish Stallion Farms EBF 'Red God' Handicap 1m2½f · Standard · 14 ran 14/14 hd 9-3 8691C68C Nathan Crosse 40/1
25 Jul 22+54d Galway Connacht Hotel (Q.R.) Handicap (70-100) 2m1f · Soft · 20 ran 17/20 9½ 10-10 87112C69C Mr H C Swan 66/1
01 Jun 22+64d Curragh Sky Bet Race To The Ebor Handicap 1m6f · Good · 13 ran 12/13 4½ 8-13 8788C69C Shane Foley 7/1
29 Mar 22+241d Navan Sp Or Better Guaranteed With Tote Handicap 1m5f · Good · 10 ran 2/10 hd 9-1 83105A84A Oisin Orr 6/1
2021 · 3 runs
31 Jul 21+58d Galway Galway Shopping Centre Handicap 1m4f · Good · 16 ran 7/16 1¼ 8-4 85110C75A Mikey Sheehy 5/1J
03 Jun 21+20d Leopardstown RACE Academy Apprentice Handicap (50-85) 1m5f · Good · 9 ran 2/9 hd 9-12 8281A84A Ms N A Kane 15/8F
14 May 21+188d Leopardstown Breast Cancer Ireland Lady Riders Handicap 1m4f · Good To Yielding · 9 ran 1/9 8-13 7788A90A Ms N A Kane 7/1
2020 · 5 runs
07 Nov 20+21d Naas Naas November Handicap (Premier Handicap) 1m6f · Heavy · 16 ran 5/16 ½ 8-11 8078C79A Ben Coen 18/1
17 Oct 20+45d Leopardstown Retro Drive In Movies At Leopardstown October Handicap (Premier Handicap) 1m4f · Soft · 12 ran 4/12 ½ 8-3 8081A76A Danny Sheehy 14/1
02 Sep 20+13d Gowran Park MansionBet Maiden 1m6f · Soft To Heavy · 13 ran 1/13 9-9 74116C86A Shane Foley 4/1
20 Aug 20+24d Leopardstown Racing Academy Apprentice Handicap 1m2f · Heavy · 8 ran 2/8 hd 9-7 7579A79A John Shinnick 3/1F
27 Jul 20+305d Galway Easyfix Handicap (50-80) 1m4½f · Soft · 16 ran 3/16 ¾ 9-1 72123C78A John Shinnick 50/1
2019 · 6 runs
26 Sep 19+22d Gowran Park Woodford Dolmen Hotel Bar & Bistro Of The Year Winner Handicap (50-75) 1m1½f · Soft · 16 ran 12/16 nk 9-5 7372C59A Tom Madden 7/1
04 Sep 19+52d Gowran Park Dining Packages At Gowran Park Handicap 1m1½f · Yielding · 14 ran 4/14 ½ 8-11 72107C83A Tom Madden 20/1
14 Jul 19+30d Fairyhouse Making Dreams Come True Handicap 1m4f · Good · 9 ran 7/9 1 9-12 75104A65A Killian Leonard 12/1
14 Jun 19+19d Cork Hothouse Flowers Play After Racing Maiden 1m2f · Good To Yielding · 17 ran 5/17 2¾ 9-2 —76C72A Killian Leonard 12/1
26 May 19+14d Curragh Irish Stallion Farms European Breeders Fund Maiden 1m2f · Good To Firm · 11 ran 4/11 nk 9-5 —38A79A Colin Keane 33/1
12 May 19 Leopardstown Captain Dara Fitzpatrick Memorial Maiden 1m4f · Good To Yielding · 12 ran 8/12 3 9-2 —72A66A Killian Leonard 100/1

Quick answers

How many races has No Say Ever won?
No Say Ever (GB) won 3 of 25 archived starts between 2019 and 2024, a strike rate of 12%. Placed 7 times in total (28% of starts).
Who trained No Say Ever?
No Say Ever (GB) was trained by Miss Amanda Mooney on the most recent run on record, at Dundalk (AW) on 11 October 2024.
Who is No Say Ever's sire?
No Say Ever (GB) is by No Nay Never (USA) out of Edallora (IRE), whose sire is Refuse To Bend.
What going does No Say Ever prefer?
No Say Ever (GB) has the best record on good to soft going: 1 win from 3 starts (33.3%). Only going bands with at least three archived starts are read, so this is a direction rather than a settled preference.
What is No Say Ever's official rating?
The most recent official rating on record is 79, from the run on 11 October 2024. The highest on record is 87.
What is No Say Ever's sire's record?
No Nay Never (USA)'s progeny in our archive have won 12.1% of 6,362 runs since Apr 2018 (708 horses), Flat and jumps together. Weakest on good to soft going: 9.1% from 618. Weakest over 1m5f – 2m (all codes): 7.5% from 186.
Who are No Say Ever's siblings?
Out of Edallora (IRE), No Say Ever (GB) has 1 other produce in our archive, 1 of them a winner. Most wins: Made For You (GB) (6). Highest grade won: Class 4 (Made For You (GB)). The wins came over 1m7½f–2m7f. As at Nov 2026.

Record shown from May 2019. Our archive holds racing in Great Britain, Ireland and France from January 2005. Any runs before that, or in other countries, are not in it. In-running comments are available from 2024 onward.