No Say Ever (GB)
No Say Ever won three of 25 starts, all in handicaps, with two at 1m2f – 1m4f on good to soft and standard going and one at 1m5f – 2m on heavy. He won at Dundalk, Leopardstown and Gowran Park. The gelding, who was aged 8 at his last run in Oct 2024, finished sixth of six at Dundalk that month on his first run in headgear. He last won in Sep 2022.
- 3–25Wins / Runs
- 12%Strike rate
- 7 (28%)Placed
- +39.00£1 level staken=25 at SP
- 1.60Fair A/E n=25 · 1.30 incl. margin
- 87Highest OR
- 28dBetween runs (median)longest 645 d
A/E compares actual wins with what starting prices implied. "Fair" strips the bookmaker margin from the expectation, so favourites and longshots are judged on the same footing — figures near 1.00 mean the market priced this horse about right.
KTB Speed and Rating
Best recent Speed 98
How fast the horse ran, as points against the day-corrected standard time for its course and distance: 100 is the median GB Class 4 handicap winner on that code; one point is 0.1% of the standard time. A, B or C is how much the day's card could tell us, not how good the run was. What this means →
| Going | Runs | Best | Median | Since 5 Nov 2025 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Good | 7 | 117C | 104 | — |
| Standard (AW) | 5 | 106A | 91 | — |
| Soft | 5 | 123C | 107 | — |
| Heavy | 4 | 116C | 78.5 | — |
| Good to Soft | 3 | 88A | 76 | — |
| Good to Firm | 1 | — | — | — |
| Distance | Runs | Best | Median | Since 5 Nov 2025 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1m2f – 1m4f | 15 | 123C | 90 | — |
| 1m5f – 2m | 7 | 116C | 81 | — |
| 1m – 1m1f | 2 | 107C | 89.5 | — |
| 2m1f – 2m4f | 1 | — | — | — |
KTB Speed v1 · batch 15 Sep 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 25 figures from 25 runs · as at 3 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast
Both figures are KTB's own, computed from the archive; no vendor rating enters either. Every run's figure is on its form line below with its grade. Grades measure how much the archive could see, never the merit of the run.
Run style from 3 analysed runs since Sep 2024
- Prominent 2 (67%) · 0 wins
- Held up 1 (33%) · 0 wins
Pedigree intelligence
Progeny in our archive have won 12.1% of 6,362 runs since Apr 2018 (708 horses).
Weakest on good to soft going: 9.1% from 618. Weakest over 1m5f – 2m (all codes): 7.5% from 186.
| Going | Runs | Wins | SR | vs sire | This horse |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Firm | 16 | 5 | 31.3% | +19.2 | — |
| Good to Firm | 927 | 122 | 13.2% | +1.1 | 0 from 1 |
| Good | 1,490 | 181 | 12.1% | 0 | 0 from 7 |
| Good to Soft | 618 | 56 | 9.1% | −3 | 1 from 3 |
| Soft | 851 | 110 | 12.9% | +0.8 | 0 from 5 |
| Heavy | 285 | 37 | 13% | +0.9 | 1 from 4 |
| Standard (AW) | 2,175 | 259 | 11.9% | −0.2 | 1 from 5 |
| Distance (all codes) | Runs | Wins | SR | vs sire | This horse |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Under 6f | 915 | 123 | 13.4% | +1.3 | — |
| 6f – 7f | 3,407 | 443 | 13% | +0.9 | — |
| 1m – 1m1f | 1,189 | 131 | 11% | −1.1 | 0 from 2 |
| 1m2f – 1m4f | 583 | 54 | 9.3% | −2.8 | 2 from 15 |
| 1m5f – 2m | 186 | 14 | 7.5% | −4.6 | 1 from 7 |
| 2m1f – 2m4f | 77 | 5 | 6.5% | −5.6 | 0 from 1 |
| 2m5f – 3m | 5 | 0 | 0% | −12.1 | — |
Flat and jumps together (all codes) · since Apr 2018 · as at 5 Nov 2026 · rows under 30 runs muted · win % is the measure, a record not a forecast
1 sibling in the archive, 1 winner — best of them Made For You (GB) (6 wins).
The wins came over 1m7½f–2m7f; the highest grade won is Class 4 (Made For You (GB)).
| Produce | Runs | Wins | Win trips | Best grade |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Made For You (GB) | 42 | 6 | 1m7½f–2m7f | Class 4 |
Record by conditions
| Going | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Good | 7 | 0 | 0% | −7.00 |
| Standard (AW) | 5 | 1 | 20% | +46.00 |
| Soft | 5 | 0 | 0% | −5.00 |
| Heavy | 4 | 1 | 25% | +1.00 |
| Good to Soft | 3 | 1 | 33% | +5.00 |
| Good to Firm | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Class | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Class 2 | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Course | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Dundalk (AW) | 5 | 1 | 20% | +46.00 |
| Leopardstown | 5 | 1 | 20% | +3.00 |
| Curragh | 3 | 0 | 0% | −3.00 |
| Galway | 3 | 0 | 0% | −3.00 |
| Gowran Park | 3 | 1 | 33% | +2.00 |
| Naas | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Haydock | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Navan | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Fairyhouse | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Cork | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Distance | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1m2f – 1m4f | 15 | 2 | 13% | +44.00 |
| 1m5f – 2m | 7 | 1 | 14% | −2.00 |
| 1m – 1m1f | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| 2m1f – 2m4f | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Jockey | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Shane Foley | 4 | 1 | 25% | +1.00 |
| Nathan Crosse | 4 | 1 | 25% | +47.00 |
| Ms N A Kane | 3 | 1 | 33% | +5.00 |
| Killian Leonard | 3 | 0 | 0% | −3.00 |
| John Shinnick | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Tom Madden | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Franny Norton | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Mr H C Swan | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Oisin Orr | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Mikey Sheehy | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Ben Coen | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Danny Sheehy | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Colin Keane | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Headgear | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| None | 16 | 2 | 13% | +43.00 |
| Hood | 9 | 1 | 11% | −4.00 |
| Season | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2024 | 3 | 0 | 0% | −3.00 |
| 2022 | 8 | 1 | 13% | +43.00 |
| 2021 | 3 | 1 | 33% | +5.00 |
| 2020 | 5 | 1 | 20% | +0.00 |
| 2019 | 6 | 0 | 0% | −6.00 |
Splits include every sample, however small — muted rows are under 3 runs. A one-from-one record is a fact, not a trend: read the Runs column before the strike rate.
Form
| Date | Course | Race | Pos | Btn | Wgt | OR | Spd | KTB | Jockey | SP |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2024 · 3 runs | ||||||||||
| 11 Oct 24+6d | Dundalk (AW) | Halloween Mid-Term Racing At Dundalk Handicap (70-100) Sat close to the pace travelling keenly - third at halfway - urged forward early in the straight - lost touch and slipped back over a furlong out - allowed to finish in own time | 6/6 | 8½ | 9-3 | 79 | 69A | 56B | Shane Foley | 7/1 |
| 05 Oct 24+28d | Curragh | Newbridge Silverware Ladies Trophy (Q.R.) Handicap Sat close behind the pacesetter early - into 7th with 4f left before finding a bit more ground over 3f out - stayed on at one gallop late to finish fifth | 5/15 | ½ | 10-9 | 80 | 117C | 83A | Ms N A Kane | 22/1 |
| 07 Sep 24+645d | Haydock | Betfair Exchange Old Borough Cup Handicap Held up towards the back - under pressure and losing touch with over 2f left - well held at the finish | 13/15 | 1½ | 8-3 | 82 | 65C | 65C | Franny Norton | 80/1 |
| 2022 · 8 runs | ||||||||||
| 02 Dec 22+21d | Dundalk (AW) | Christmas Party Nights At Dundalk Stadium Handicap | 8/9 | 5½ | 9-6 | 87 | 98A | 69A | Shane Foley | 9/1 |
| 11 Nov 22+5d | Dundalk (AW) | William Hill Racing Radio Handicap | 4/14 | ½ | 9-11 | 87 | 90B | 88A | Nathan Crosse | 10/1 |
| 06 Nov 22+37d | Naas | Colm White Bookmaker November Handicap (Premier Handicap) | 20/20 | 48 | 8-10 | 87 | 72C | 72C | Nathan Crosse | 50/1 |
| 30 Sep 22+46d | Dundalk (AW) | William Hill Play Responsibly Handicap (70-100) | 1/9 | 8-11 | 82 | 106A | 91A | Nathan Crosse | 50/1 | |
| 15 Aug 22+21d | Dundalk (AW) | Irish Stallion Farms EBF 'Red God' Handicap | 14/14 | hd | 9-3 | 86 | 91C | 68C | Nathan Crosse | 40/1 |
| 25 Jul 22+54d | Galway | Connacht Hotel (Q.R.) Handicap (70-100) | 17/20 | 9½ | 10-10 | 87 | 112C | 69C | Mr H C Swan | 66/1 |
| 01 Jun 22+64d | Curragh | Sky Bet Race To The Ebor Handicap | 12/13 | 4½ | 8-13 | 87 | 88C | 69C | Shane Foley | 7/1 |
| 29 Mar 22+241d | Navan | Sp Or Better Guaranteed With Tote Handicap | 2/10 | hd | 9-1 | 83 | 105A | 84A | Oisin Orr | 6/1 |
| 2021 · 3 runs | ||||||||||
| 31 Jul 21+58d | Galway | Galway Shopping Centre Handicap | 7/16 | 1¼ | 8-4 | 85 | 110C | 75A | Mikey Sheehy | 5/1J |
| 03 Jun 21+20d | Leopardstown | RACE Academy Apprentice Handicap (50-85) | 2/9 | hd | 9-12 | 82 | 81A | 84A | Ms N A Kane | 15/8F |
| 14 May 21+188d | Leopardstown | Breast Cancer Ireland Lady Riders Handicap | 1/9 | 8-13 | 77 | 88A | 90A | Ms N A Kane | 7/1 | |
| 2020 · 5 runs | ||||||||||
| 07 Nov 20+21d | Naas | Naas November Handicap (Premier Handicap) | 5/16 | ½ | 8-11 | 80 | 78C | 79A | Ben Coen | 18/1 |
| 17 Oct 20+45d | Leopardstown | Retro Drive In Movies At Leopardstown October Handicap (Premier Handicap) | 4/12 | ½ | 8-3 | 80 | 81A | 76A | Danny Sheehy | 14/1 |
| 02 Sep 20+13d | Gowran Park | MansionBet Maiden | 1/13 | 9-9 | 74 | 116C | 86A | Shane Foley | 4/1 | |
| 20 Aug 20+24d | Leopardstown | Racing Academy Apprentice Handicap | 2/8 | hd | 9-7 | 75 | 79A | 79A | John Shinnick | 3/1F |
| 27 Jul 20+305d | Galway | Easyfix Handicap (50-80) | 3/16 | ¾ | 9-1 | 72 | 123C | 78A | John Shinnick | 50/1 |
| 2019 · 6 runs | ||||||||||
| 26 Sep 19+22d | Gowran Park | Woodford Dolmen Hotel Bar & Bistro Of The Year Winner Handicap (50-75) | 12/16 | nk | 9-5 | 73 | 72C | 59A | Tom Madden | 7/1 |
| 04 Sep 19+52d | Gowran Park | Dining Packages At Gowran Park Handicap | 4/14 | ½ | 8-11 | 72 | 107C | 83A | Tom Madden | 20/1 |
| 14 Jul 19+30d | Fairyhouse | Making Dreams Come True Handicap | 7/9 | 1 | 9-12 | 75 | 104A | 65A | Killian Leonard | 12/1 |
| 14 Jun 19+19d | Cork | Hothouse Flowers Play After Racing Maiden | 5/17 | 2¾ | 9-2 | — | 76C | 72A | Killian Leonard | 12/1 |
| 26 May 19+14d | Curragh | Irish Stallion Farms European Breeders Fund Maiden | 4/11 | nk | 9-5 | — | 38A | 79A | Colin Keane | 33/1 |
| 12 May 19 | Leopardstown | Captain Dara Fitzpatrick Memorial Maiden | 8/12 | 3 | 9-2 | — | 72A | 66A | Killian Leonard | 100/1 |
Quick answers
- How many races has No Say Ever won?
- No Say Ever (GB) won 3 of 25 archived starts between 2019 and 2024, a strike rate of 12%. Placed 7 times in total (28% of starts).
- Who trained No Say Ever?
- No Say Ever (GB) was trained by Miss Amanda Mooney on the most recent run on record, at Dundalk (AW) on 11 October 2024.
- Who is No Say Ever's sire?
- No Say Ever (GB) is by No Nay Never (USA) out of Edallora (IRE), whose sire is Refuse To Bend.
- What going does No Say Ever prefer?
- No Say Ever (GB) has the best record on good to soft going: 1 win from 3 starts (33.3%). Only going bands with at least three archived starts are read, so this is a direction rather than a settled preference.
- What is No Say Ever's official rating?
- The most recent official rating on record is 79, from the run on 11 October 2024. The highest on record is 87.
- What is No Say Ever's sire's record?
- No Nay Never (USA)'s progeny in our archive have won 12.1% of 6,362 runs since Apr 2018 (708 horses), Flat and jumps together. Weakest on good to soft going: 9.1% from 618. Weakest over 1m5f – 2m (all codes): 7.5% from 186.
- Who are No Say Ever's siblings?
- Out of Edallora (IRE), No Say Ever (GB) has 1 other produce in our archive, 1 of them a winner. Most wins: Made For You (GB) (6). Highest grade won: Class 4 (Made For You (GB)). The wins came over 1m7½f–2m7f. As at Nov 2026.