Never Say (IRE)
Never Say (IRE) is yet to win from 24 starts, though has placed 7 times. Best effort: 2nd of 12 at Ayr (Jul 2017). Last raced off 45, 8lb below the career-high mark.
- 0–24Wins / Runs
- 0%Strike rate
- 7 (29.2%)Placed
- −24.00£1 level staken=24 at SP
- 0.00Fair A/E n=24 · 0.00 incl. margin
- 53Highest OR
- 39dAvg between runs
A/E compares actual wins with what starting prices implied. "Fair" strips the bookmaker margin from the expectation, so favourites and longshots are judged on the same footing — figures near 1.00 mean the market priced this horse about right.
KTB Speed and Rating
Best recent Speed 90
How fast the horse ran, as points against the day-corrected standard time for its course and distance: 100 is the median GB Class 4 handicap winner on that code; one point is 0.1% of the standard time. A, B or C is how much the day's card could tell us, not how good the run was. What this means →
| Going | Runs | Best | Median | Since 28 Oct 2025 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Standard (AW) | 6 | 84B | 66 | — |
| Soft | 2 | 75A | 64 | — |
| Good | 1 | — | — | — |
| Good to Firm | 1 | — | — | — |
| Distance | Runs | Best | Median | Since 28 Oct 2025 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1m2f – 1m4f | 7 | 90A | 53 | — |
| 1m – 1m1f | 2 | 80B | 77.5 | — |
| 6f – 7f | 1 | — | — | — |
KTB Speed v1 · batch 15 Sep 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 10 figures from 10 runs · as at 3 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast
Both figures are KTB's own, computed from the archive; no vendor rating enters either. Every run's figure is on its form line below with its grade. Grades measure how much the archive could see, never the merit of the run.
Run style is derived from in-running commentary, which our data provider does not supply for this horse's races.
Pedigree intelligence
Progeny in our archive have won 8.9% of 5,979 runs since Jan 2008 (373 horses).
Weakest over 1m5f – 2m (all codes): 4.4% from 158.
| Going | Runs | Wins | SR | vs sire | This horse |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Firm | 40 | 4 | 10% | +1.1 | — |
| Good to Firm | 1,192 | 110 | 9.2% | +0.3 | 0 from 3 |
| Good | 1,109 | 85 | 7.7% | −1.2 | 0 from 4 |
| Good to Soft | 598 | 45 | 7.5% | −1.4 | 0 from 1 |
| Soft | 549 | 45 | 8.2% | −0.7 | 0 from 2 |
| Heavy | 121 | 12 | 9.9% | +1 | — |
| Standard (AW) | 2,370 | 231 | 9.7% | +0.8 | 0 from 14 |
| Distance (all codes) | Runs | Wins | SR | vs sire | This horse |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Under 6f | 1,230 | 140 | 11.4% | +2.5 | 0 from 2 |
| 6f – 7f | 2,780 | 219 | 7.9% | −1 | 0 from 5 |
| 1m – 1m1f | 1,159 | 116 | 10% | +1.1 | 0 from 8 |
| 1m2f – 1m4f | 563 | 44 | 7.8% | −1.1 | 0 from 9 |
| 1m5f – 2m | 158 | 7 | 4.4% | −4.5 | — |
| 2m1f – 2m4f | 64 | 6 | 9.4% | +0.5 | — |
| 2m5f – 3m | 20 | 0 | 0% | −8.9 | — |
| Over 3m | 5 | 0 | 0% | −8.9 | — |
Flat and jumps together (all codes) · since Jan 2008 · as at 28 Oct 2026 · rows under 30 runs muted · win % is the measure, a record not a forecast
2 siblings in the archive, 1 winner — best of them Geesala Brave (IRE) (2 wins).
The wins came over 1m–1m2f.
| Produce | Runs | Wins | Win trips | Best grade |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Geesala Brave (IRE) | 20 | 2 | 1m–1m2f | — |
| Freeze Fly (IRE) | 5 | 0 | — | — |
Record by conditions
| Going | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Standard (AW) | 14 | 0 | 0% | −14.00 |
| Good | 4 | 0 | 0% | −4.00 |
| Good to Firm | 3 | 0 | 0% | −3.00 |
| Soft | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Good to Soft | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Class | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Class 6 | 21 | 0 | 0% | −21.00 |
| Class 5 | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Class 7 | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Course | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Southwell (AW) | 8 | 0 | 0% | −8.00 |
| Wolverhampton (AW) | 3 | 0 | 0% | −3.00 |
| Ripon | 3 | 0 | 0% | −3.00 |
| Newcastle (AW) | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Redcar | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Ayr | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Catterick | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Carlisle | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Chelmsford City (AW) | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Beverley | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Nottingham | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Distance | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1m2f – 1m4f | 9 | 0 | 0% | −9.00 |
| 1m – 1m1f | 8 | 0 | 0% | −8.00 |
| 6f – 7f | 5 | 0 | 0% | −5.00 |
| Under 6f | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Jockey | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| P J McDonald | 5 | 0 | 0% | −5.00 |
| Jane Elliott | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| David Parkes | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Kieran Schofield | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Callum Shepherd | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Andrew Mullen | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Paul Hanagan | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Nathan Evans | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Franny Norton | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Jordan Vaughan | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Luke Morris | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Rob Hornby | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Raul Da Silva | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Ben Curtis | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Jack Garritty | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Rowan Scott | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Headgear | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Cheekpieces | 12 | 0 | 0% | −12.00 |
| None | 11 | 0 | 0% | −11.00 |
| Visor | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Season | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2017 | 10 | 0 | 0% | −10.00 |
| 2016 | 8 | 0 | 0% | −8.00 |
| 2015 | 6 | 0 | 0% | −6.00 |
Splits include every sample, however small — muted rows are under 3 runs. A one-from-one record is a fact, not a trend: read the Runs column before the strike rate.
Form
| Date | Course | Race | Pos | Btn | Wgt | OR | Spd | KTB | Jockey | SP |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2017 · 10 runs | ||||||||||
| 22 Dec 17+18d | Southwell (AW) | Betway Live Casino Handicap | 11/13 | 2¼ | 8-7 | 45 | 46C | 37C | Jane Elliott | 40/1 |
| 04 Dec 17+140d | Southwell (AW) | Betway Casino Handicap | 11/14 | 16 | 8-2 | 46 | 44C | 43C | Jane Elliott | 25/1 |
| 17 Jul 17+8d | Wolverhampton (AW) | Fclgf.com Classified Claiming Stakes | 10/10 | 13 | 9-3 | 42 | 52C | 45C | Andrew Mullen | 11/1 |
| 09 Jul 17+29d | Ayr | Bet totequadpot At betfred.com Handicap (Div 2) | 2/12 | nk | 9-0 | 45 | 90A | 65A | Paul Hanagan | 9/1 |
| 10 Jun 17+1d | Catterick | Toteexacta Pick The 1st And 2nd Classified Claiming Stakes | 2/4 | 8 | 8-0 | 45 | 53C | 50B | Nathan Evans | 10/1 |
| 09 Jun 17+28d | Carlisle | Racing UK In Glorious HD Handicap (Div 1) | 5/10 | nk | 8-7 | 45 | 75A | 60A | Franny Norton | 25/1 |
| 12 May 17+72d | Ripon | Sports Information Services Selling Stakes | 6/7 | 2½ | 9-2 | 42 | 60B | 43A | Jordan Vaughan | 9/1 |
| 01 Mar 17+22d | Newcastle (AW) | Sunbets On The App Store Handicap | 7/13 | 1 | 8-7 | 45 | 84B | 56A | Luke Morris | 22/1 |
| 07 Feb 17+18d | Newcastle (AW) | Betway Best Odds Guaranteed Plus Apprentice Handicap (Div 1) | 5/9 | 8 | 8-12 | 47 | 81A | 41A | David Parkes | 33/1 |
| 20 Jan 17+239d | Wolverhampton (AW) | Betway App Handicap | 7/9 | nk | 9-0 | 50 | 80B | 43A | David Parkes | 25/1 |
| 2016 · 8 runs | ||||||||||
| 26 May 16+20d | Chelmsford City (AW) | Money Back 2nd At titanbet.co.uk Handicap | 6/10 | 9 | 8-13 | 50 | — | 35A | Rob Hornby | 7/1 |
| 06 May 16+45d | Ripon | Sis Stream Selling Stakes | 3/8 | nk | 8-4 | 47 | — | 52A | Raul Da Silva | 12/1 |
| 22 Mar 16+12d | Southwell (AW) | 32red Apprentice Handicap | 5/8 | 3¾ | 8-3 | 47 | — | 41A | Kieran Schofield | 17/2 |
| 10 Mar 16+16d | Southwell (AW) | 32red Handicap | 2/9 | 3 | 9-0 | 47 | — | 58A | Ben Curtis | 5/1 |
| 23 Feb 16+14d | Wolverhampton (AW) | 32Red Casino Handicap | 6/9 | nk | 8-8 | 47 | — | 45A | Callum Shepherd | 6/1 |
| 09 Feb 16+19d | Southwell (AW) | 32red Maiden Handicap | 3/8 | 3¼ | 9-1 | 47 | — | 53A | P J McDonald | 3/1 |
| 21 Jan 16+16d | Southwell (AW) | 32Red.com Handicap | 2/9 | 3½ | 8-2 | 46 | — | 60A | Callum Shepherd | 20/1 |
| 05 Jan 16+40d | Southwell (AW) | 32Red Handicap | 2/7 | 3¾ | 8-12 | 45 | — | 55A | P J McDonald | 12/1 |
| 2015 · 6 runs | ||||||||||
| 26 Nov 15+64d | Southwell (AW) | 32red Casino Selling Stakes | 5/8 | 2¾ | 8-7 | 45 | — | 42A | P J McDonald | 28/1 |
| 23 Sep 15+23d | Redcar | Ruby's 21st Birthday Present To Mum Nursery | 17/20 | hd | 8-7 | 53 | — | 23C | Kieran Schofield | 50/1 |
| 31 Aug 15+23d | Ripon | Sallie Lindley Memorial Selling Stakes | 6/8 | ¾ | 8-8 | 53 | — | 41A | Jack Garritty | 10/1 |
| 08 Aug 15+25d | Redcar | Follow Redcarracing On Facebook & Twitter Selling Stakes | 2/7 | 5 | 8-6 | — | — | 51A | P J McDonald | 33/1 |
| 14 Jul 15+10d | Beverley | Racing UK Profits All Returned To Racing Maiden Auction Stakes | 10/12 | 1¼ | 8-4 | — | — | 33A | P J McDonald | 22/1 |
| 04 Jul 15 | Nottingham | Goldeva Maiden Auction Fillies' Stakes (Plus10) | 9/12 | 5 | 7-13 | — | — | 8C | Rowan Scott | 20/1 |
Quick answers
- How many races has Never Say won?
- Never Say (IRE) has yet to win, from 24 archived starts between 2015 and 2017. Placed 7 times in total (29.2% of starts).
- Who trained Never Say?
- Never Say (IRE) was trained by Sam England on the most recent run on record, at Southwell (AW) on 22 December 2017.
- Who is Never Say's sire?
- Never Say (IRE) is by Monsieur Bond (IRE) out of Wong Again (GB), whose sire is Araafa.
- What is Never Say's official rating?
- The most recent official rating on record is 45, from the run on 22 December 2017. The highest on record is 53.
- What is Never Say's sire's record?
- Monsieur Bond (IRE)'s progeny in our archive have won 8.9% of 5,979 runs since Jan 2008 (373 horses), Flat and jumps together. Weakest over 1m5f – 2m (all codes): 4.4% from 158.
- Who are Never Say's siblings?
- Out of Wong Again (GB), Never Say (IRE) has 2 other produce in our archive, 1 of them a winner. Most wins: Geesala Brave (IRE) (2). The wins came over 1m–1m2f. As at Oct 2026.