Horse profile
Joy And Pain (GB)
7yo gelding (at last run, Aug 2008) · Last trainer Michael Attwater · Last owner Phones Direct Partnership
by Pursuit of Love (GB) out of Ice Chocolate (USA) (Icecapade)
51 runs · 12 courses · from Jan 2005
As at 5 Nov 2026 · KTB archive: GB, Ireland & France · 2005–present, updated daily
No run recorded since 9 Aug 2008 — 6,661 days ago. Our archive can't say whether the horse is still in training.
Last run Aug 2008 · 13th of 14
8 wins · 4 courses
Last raced off OR 62
KTB Profile
Joy And Pain (GB) is 8 from 51. Hasn't won since Feb 2008. All 8 wins have come over 6f – 7f. Last raced off 62, 10lb below the career-high mark.
Based on 51 archived runs · updated 5 Nov 2026
KTB at a glance
OR ↓ 10lb off peak
- 8–51Wins / Runs
- 15.7%Strike rate
- 17 (33.3%)Placed
- +3.71£1 level staken=51 at SP
- 1.60Fair A/E n=51 · 1.33 incl. margin
- 72Highest OR
- 14dBetween runs (median)longest 174 d
A/E compares actual wins with what starting prices implied. "Fair" strips the bookmaker margin from the expectation, so favourites and longshots are judged on the same footing — figures near 1.00 mean the market priced this horse about right.
Official rating62↓ 10lb off peak
62
48–72
KTB Speed and Rating
KTB Speed
No KTB Speed figures for this horse. The engine scores GB and Irish racing from Oct 2016; runs elsewhere, or earlier, have no figure.
KTB Speed v1 · batch 15 Sep 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 0 figures from 0 runs · a record, not a forecast
Both figures are KTB's own, computed from the archive; no vendor rating enters either. Every run's figure is on its form line below with its grade. Grades measure how much the archive could see, never the merit of the run.
Run style is derived from in-running commentary, which our data provider does not supply for this horse's races.
Pedigree intelligence
Sire
Pursuit of Love (GB)
Progeny in our archive have won 6.7% of 929 runs since Jan 2008 (74 horses).
| Going | Runs | Wins | SR | vs sire | This horse |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Firm | 13 | 1 | 7.7% | +1 | 0 from 2 |
| Good to Firm | 173 | 9 | 5.2% | −1.5 | 2 from 7 |
| Good | 268 | 22 | 8.2% | +1.5 | 1 from 4 |
| Good to Soft | 115 | 9 | 7.8% | +1.1 | 0 from 2 |
| Soft | 110 | 7 | 6.4% | −0.3 | 0 from 5 |
| Heavy | 36 | 2 | 5.6% | −1.1 | 0 from 1 |
| Standard (AW) | 214 | 12 | 5.6% | −1.1 | 5 from 30 |
| Distance (all codes) | Runs | Wins | SR | vs sire | This horse |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Under 6f | 38 | 0 | 0% | −6.7 | — |
| 6f – 7f | 173 | 8 | 4.6% | −2.1 | 8 from 47 |
| 1m – 1m1f | 152 | 11 | 7.2% | +0.5 | 0 from 4 |
| 1m2f – 1m4f | 117 | 10 | 8.5% | +1.8 | — |
| 1m5f – 2m | 218 | 16 | 7.3% | +0.6 | — |
| 2m1f – 2m4f | 167 | 14 | 8.4% | +1.7 | — |
| 2m5f – 3m | 59 | 3 | 5.1% | −1.6 | — |
| Over 3m | 5 | 0 | 0% | −6.7 | — |
Flat and jumps together (all codes) · since Jan 2008 · as at 4 Nov 2026 · rows under 30 runs muted · win % is the measure, a record not a forecast
Dam
Ice Chocolate (USA) (Icecapade)
No other produce in our archive. It holds racing in Great Britain, Ireland and France from 2005, so siblings racing elsewhere won’t appear here.
Record by conditions
| Going | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Standard (AW) | 30 | 5 | 17% | −0.17 |
| Good to Firm | 7 | 2 | 29% | +8.88 |
| Soft | 5 | 0 | 0% | −5.00 |
| Good | 4 | 1 | 25% | +5.00 |
| Good to Soft | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Firm | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Heavy | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Class | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Class 5 | 29 | 2 | 7% | −15.50 |
| Class 6 | 19 | 6 | 32% | +22.21 |
| Class 4 | 3 | 0 | 0% | −3.00 |
| Course | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Lingfield (AW) | 22 | 5 | 23% | +7.83 |
| Nottingham | 6 | 1 | 17% | +7.00 |
| Kempton (AW) | 4 | 0 | 0% | −4.00 |
| Lingfield | 4 | 1 | 25% | −1.12 |
| Yarmouth | 3 | 1 | 33% | +6.00 |
| Newmarket | 3 | 0 | 0% | −3.00 |
| Windsor | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Southwell (AW) | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Wolverhampton (AW) | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Thirsk | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Brighton | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Goodwood | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Distance | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 6f – 7f | 47 | 8 | 17% | +7.71 |
| 1m – 1m1f | 4 | 0 | 0% | −4.00 |
| Jockey | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Ian Mongan | 11 | 3 | 27% | +8.83 |
| Kevin Ghunowa | 10 | 3 | 30% | +14.88 |
| Richard Hughes | 4 | 1 | 25% | +0.50 |
| Joseph Walsh | 3 | 0 | 0% | −3.00 |
| Eddie Ahern | 3 | 0 | 0% | −3.00 |
| Dane O'Neill | 3 | 0 | 0% | −3.00 |
| George Baker | 3 | 0 | 0% | −3.00 |
| Oscar Urbina | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Paul Fitzsimons | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Amir Quinn | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Harry Poulton | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Adam Kirby | 1 | 1 | 100% | +4.50 |
| Miss Faye Bramley | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Graham Gibbons | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Paul Hanagan | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Neil Callan | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Tom Queally | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Jimmy Fortune | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Headgear | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| None | 18 | 1 | 6% | −13.50 |
| Cheekpieces | 16 | 4 | 25% | +9.33 |
| Visor | 16 | 3 | 19% | +8.88 |
| Blinkers | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Season | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2008 | 9 | 2 | 22% | +6.33 |
| 2007 | 16 | 2 | 13% | −6.00 |
| 2006 | 16 | 3 | 19% | +8.88 |
| 2005 | 10 | 1 | 10% | −5.50 |
Splits include every sample, however small — muted rows are under 3 runs. A one-from-one record is a fact, not a trend: read the Runs column before the strike rate.
Form
| Date | Course | Race | Pos | Btn | Wgt | OR | KTB | Jockey | SP |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2008 · 9 runs | |||||||||
| 09 Aug 08+17d | Lingfield (AW) | talksport Radio Handicap (AW) | 13/14 | 3½ | 9-6 | 62 | 38C | Ian Mongan | 7/1 |
| 23 Jul 08+21d | Lingfield (AW) | Forest Row Handicap | 4/14 | hd | 9-10 | 62 | 73A | Ian Mongan | 12/1 |
| 02 Jul 08+89d | Kempton (AW) | Weatherbys Bank Apprentice Handicap | 6/10 | nk | 8-12 | 62 | 60A | Harry Poulton | 20/1 |
| 04 Apr 08+8d | Lingfield (AW) | arenaleisureplc.com Handicap | 4/5 | 6 | 8-10 | 62 | 49B | Ian Mongan | 4/1 |
| 27 Mar 08+13d | Lingfield (AW) | Sand, Sea & Sun At Pontin's Handicap | 2/9 | hd | 8-12 | 62 | 65A | Ian Mongan | 4/1 |
| 14 Mar 08+17d | Kempton (AW) | Mobile Roulette Text '32' 88932 Handicap | 10/13 | ½ | 9-1 | 62 | 53A | Ian Mongan | 10/1 |
| 26 Feb 08+8d | Lingfield (AW) | Try Betdaq For An Exchange Handicap | 1/10 | 9-3 | 59 | 74A | Ian Mongan | 10/3 | |
| 18 Feb 08+12d | Lingfield (AW) | Peggy's 90th Birthday Celebration Handicap | 3/8 | ½ | 8-7 | 59 | 62A | Ian Mongan | 13/2 |
| 06 Feb 08+72d | Lingfield (AW) | arenaleisureplc.com Handicap | 1/7 | 8-13 | 55 | 66A | Ian Mongan | 10/1 | |
| 2007 · 16 runs | |||||||||
| 26 Nov 07+5d | Lingfield (AW) | Lingfield Park For Conferences Handicap (Div 2) | 1/11 | 8-12 | 53 | 67C | Adam Kirby | 9/2 | |
| 21 Nov 07+15d | Kempton (AW) | TFM Networks Handicap | 7/13 | 5 | 9-1 | 53 | 45C | Oscar Urbina | 13/2 |
| 06 Nov 07+6d | Lingfield (AW) | Lingfield Park For Weddings Handicap | 1/14 | 8-12 | 48 | 62C | Ian Mongan | 7/2J | |
| 31 Oct 07+8d | Lingfield (AW) | Christmas Parties At Lingfield Park Handicap | 6/14 | nk | 9-0 | 50 | 61C | Ian Mongan | 16/1 |
| 23 Oct 07+20d | Yarmouth | June, Karen & Paula Are Happy Claiming Stakes | 9/16 | 5 | 8-6 | 50 | 32C | Kevin Ghunowa | 16/1 |
| 03 Oct 07+60d | Nottingham | Betfair Apprentice Handicap | 10/12 | hd | 8-1 | 52 | 30C | Joseph Walsh | 16/1 |
| 04 Aug 07+14d | Thirsk | Whitby Ladies' Handicap | 10/19 | 2 | 10-10 | 54 | 46C | Miss Faye Bramley | 12/1 |
| 21 Jul 07+12d | Lingfield | Conticap Handicap | 4/6 | 5 | 9-7 | 55 | 49C | Paul Fitzsimons | 9/2 |
| 09 Jul 07+9d | Windsor | Bet At Ladbrokes Now On 0800 777888 Handicap | 5/14 | 1 | 8-13 | 55 | 54C | Paul Fitzsimons | 7/1 |
| 30 Jun 07+14d | Newmarket | Morris Armitage Apprentice Handicap | 2/11 | ¾ | 8-0 | 53 | 69C | Joseph Walsh | 16/1 |
| 16 Jun 07+3d | Lingfield | Real Thing Live At lingfieldpark.co.uk Handicap | 8/17 | shd | 8-11 | 55 | 62C | Joseph Walsh | 20/1 |
| 13 Jun 07+8d | Nottingham | Turftv.co.Uk Handicap | 6/15 | 2½ | 9-6 | 57 | 67C | Eddie Ahern | 9/1 |
| 05 Jun 07+5d | Lingfield | Heatwave Live At lingfieldpark.co.uk Handicap | 13/17 | hd | 9-5 | 57 | 46C | Dane O'Neill | 13/2 |
| 31 May 07+16d | Yarmouth | Essex & Suffolk Water Handicap | 3/8 | 2½ | 8-8 | 57 | 53C | Oscar Urbina | 10/1 |
| 15 May 07+14d | Southwell (AW) | See 'Journey South' Live On 30th May Handicap | 12/13 | 2½ | 8-13 | 60 | 31C | Ian Mongan | 40/1 |
| 01 May 07+174d | Southwell (AW) | betdirectpoker.com Come And 'Ave Some Handicap | 7/8 | 5 | 8-6 | 63 | 25C | Kevin Ghunowa | 16/1 |
| 2006 · 16 runs | |||||||||
| 08 Nov 06+14d | Kempton (AW) | digibet.co.uk Handicap | 13/14 | 4 | 8-12 | 65 | 24C | Kevin Ghunowa | 14/1 |
| 25 Oct 06+7d | Nottingham | Will You Marry Me Lucy Beardsall Hndcp | 7/15 | 5 | 8-11 | 68 | 41C | Kevin Ghunowa | 14/1 |
| 18 Oct 06+14d | Nottingham | Oval Handicap | 3/15 | ¾ | 8-6 | 68 | 71C | Kevin Ghunowa | 50/1 |
| 04 Oct 06+95d | Nottingham | Gasket Cutters' Association Handicap | 15/17 | nk | 8-8 | 70 | 32C | Kevin Ghunowa | 50/1 |
| 01 Jul 06+7d | Newmarket | newmarketexperience.co.uk Apprentice Handicap | 18/18 | 5 | 9-9 | 70 | 50C | Kevin Ghunowa | 11/2F |
| 24 Jun 06+18d | Newmarket | Play 24/7 At VC casino.com Handicap | 4/15 | hd | 9-3 | 69 | 70C | Dane O'Neill | 15/2 |
| 06 Jun 06+5d | Lingfield | Barker Poland Handicap | 1/18 | 9-4 | 58 | 67C | Kevin Ghunowa | 15/8F | |
| 01 Jun 06+20d | Yarmouth | totesportcasino.com Handicap | 1/13 | 8-9 | 58 | 68C | Kevin Ghunowa | 8/1 | |
| 12 May 06+32d | Nottingham | Come Racing Again Next Weekend Apprentice Handicap | 1/16 | 8-5 | 52 | 75C | Kevin Ghunowa | 12/1 | |
| 10 Apr 06+37d | Wolverhampton (AW) | wolverhampton-racecourse.co.Uk Handicap | 11/12 | 8 | 9-4 | 60 | 32C | Graham Gibbons | 8/1 |
| 04 Mar 06+8d | Lingfield (AW) | Bet Direct Freephone 0800 211 222 Handicap (Div 2) | 5/10 | 3 | 8-13 | 63 | 55C | Dane O'Neill | 11/2 |
| 24 Feb 06+17d | Wolverhampton (AW) | World Series At Littlewoodspoker.com Claiming Stakes (Div 2) | 2/11 | ¾ | 9-12 | 58 | 56C | George Baker | 4/1 |
| 07 Feb 06+13d | Lingfield (AW) | Play In Monte Carlo littlewoodspools.co.uk Claiming Stakes | 4/12 | 3½ | 9-4 | 59 | 54C | George Baker | 8/1 |
| 25 Jan 06+14d | Lingfield (AW) | Play Slots At Littlewoodscasino.com Handicap | 13/13 | shd | 8-9 | 66 | 43C | Eddie Ahern | 5/1F |
| 11 Jan 06+8d | Lingfield (AW) | Betdirect.co.uk For In-Running Football Handicap | 4/12 | hd | 8-12 | 69 | 55C | Paul Hanagan | 14/1 |
| 03 Jan 06+14d | Lingfield (AW) | Instant Win Games At Betdirect.co.uk Handicap | 6/14 | 1¾ | 9-4 | 69 | 67C | Neil Callan | 8/1 |
| 2005 · 10 runs | |||||||||
| 20 Dec 05+24d | Lingfield (AW) | Betdirectcasino.com Handicap | 10/12 | 2 | 9-4 | 70 | 38C | George Baker | 7/2 |
| 26 Nov 05+16d | Lingfield (AW) | Betdirect Handicap (Div 2) | 2/9 | 1¼ | 9-3 | 69 | 58C | Richard Hughes | 6/1 |
| 10 Nov 05+167d | Lingfield (AW) | Betdirect Freephone 0800 211 222 Handicap (Div 1) | 12/12 | 14 | 9-1 | 72 | 32C | Eddie Ahern | 20/1 |
| 27 May 05+27d | Brighton | Commercial Catering Supplies Handicap | 6/7 | nk | 9-8 | 69 | 58C | Richard Hughes | 9/1 |
| 30 Apr 05+5d | Goodwood | Friend And Falcke Handicap | 15/16 | 5 | 8-13 | 72 | 20C | Tom Queally | 20/1 |
| 25 Apr 05+35d | Windsor | Handicap | 9/15 | nk | 9-1 | 72 | 56C | Richard Hughes | 12/1 |
| 21 Mar 05+37d | Lingfield (AW) | Handicap (Div 2) | 1/12 | 9-11 | 69 | 63C | Richard Hughes | 7/2F | |
| 12 Feb 05+7d | Lingfield (AW) | Apprentice Handicap | 2/12 | nk | 9-1 | 66 | 73C | Amir Quinn | 5/1J |
| 05 Feb 05+10d | Lingfield (AW) | Apprentice Handicap | 2/14 | 1½ | 8-12 | 64 | 72C | Amir Quinn | 13/2 |
| 26 Jan 05 | Lingfield (AW) | Bet Direct Handicap | 4/14 | hd | 8-11 | 63 | 68C | Jimmy Fortune | 6/1 |
Quick answers
- How many races has Joy And Pain won?
- Joy And Pain (GB) won 8 of 51 archived starts between 2005 and 2008, a strike rate of 15.7%. Placed 17 times in total (33.3% of starts).
- Who trained Joy And Pain?
- Joy And Pain (GB) was trained by Michael Attwater on the most recent run on record, at Lingfield (AW) on 9 August 2008.
- Who is Joy And Pain's sire?
- Joy And Pain (GB) is by Pursuit of Love (GB) out of Ice Chocolate (USA), whose sire is Icecapade.
- What going does Joy And Pain prefer?
- Joy And Pain (GB) has the best record on good to firm going: 2 wins from 7 starts (28.6%). Only going bands with at least three archived starts are read, so this is a direction rather than a settled preference.
- What is Joy And Pain's official rating?
- The most recent official rating on record is 62, from the run on 9 August 2008. The highest on record is 72.
- What is Joy And Pain's sire's record?
- Pursuit of Love (GB)'s progeny in our archive have won 6.7% of 929 runs since Jan 2008 (74 horses), Flat and jumps together.