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Horse profile

They Don't Know (IRE)

4yo gelding (at last run, Jul 2023) · Last trainer Tony Carroll · Last owner Mrs S Bowen
25 runs · 10 courses · from Aug 2021
As at 22 Oct 2026 · KTB archive: GB, Ireland & France · 2005–present, updated daily
No run recorded since 17 Jul 2023 — 1,192 days ago. Our archive can't say whether the horse is still in training.
Last run Jul 2023 · 4th of 5 Last raced off OR 62
KTB Profile

They Don't Know (IRE) is yet to win from 25 starts, though has placed 8 times. Best effort: 2nd of 7 at Chelmsford City (AW) (Apr 2023). Last raced off 62, 11lb below the career-high mark.

Based on 25 archived runs · updated 22 Oct 2026
KTB at a glance OR ↓ 11lb off peak
Official rating62↓ 11lb off peak
62 62–73

KTB Speed and Rating

KTB Speed

Best recent Speed 93 the best of the last 3 graded (A or B) runs · Chelmsford City (AW), 6 Apr 2023

How fast the horse ran, as points against the day-corrected standard time for its course and distance: 100 is the median GB Class 4 handicap winner on that code; one point is 0.1% of the standard time. A, B or C is how much the day's card could tell us, not how good the run was. What this means →

Flat 25 figures · best 118C · median 86
GoingRunsBestMedianSince 22 Oct 2025
Standard (AW)20118C90.5—
Good to Soft2102C91.5—
Good to Firm1———
Firm1———
Good1———
DistanceRunsBestMedianSince 22 Oct 2025
1m2f – 1m4f11102A82—
1m – 1m1f10118C95.5—
6f – 7f384A66—
1m5f – 2m1———

KTB Speed v1 · batch 15 Sep 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 25 figures from 25 runs · as at 3 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast

KTB Rating

Best recent KTB Rating 71B the best of the last 3 rated runs · Chepstow, 16 Jun 2023 Official rating 62 at the last run, 17 Jul 2023

What the horse achieved in each race, in pounds on the official-rating scale, from the weight carried, the lengths beaten and the race's own level solved across the archive — never the market, never the official rating as a starting point. The headline is the best of the horse's last three rated runs on that code. A, B or C on a run is how much known form was in that race. What this means →

Flat 25 figures · best 87A · median 70
GoingRunsBestMedianSince 22 Oct 2025
Standard (AW)2087A71.5—
Good to Soft260C53—
Good to Firm1———
Firm1———
Good1———
DistanceRunsBestMedianSince 22 Oct 2025
1m2f – 1m4f1180A68—
1m – 1m1f1087A76—
6f – 7f370A60—
1m5f – 2m1———

KTB Rating v1 · batch 3 Oct 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 25 figures from 25 runs · as at 4 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast

Both figures are KTB's own, computed from the archive; no vendor rating enters either. Every run's figure is on its form line below with its grade. Grades measure how much the archive could see, never the merit of the run.

Run style is derived from in-running commentary, which our data provider does not supply for this horse's races.

Pedigree intelligence

Sire

Progeny in our archive have won 6.7% of 2,031 runs since Jan 2008 (172 horses).

GoingRunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
Firm100%−6.70 from 1
Good to Firm170148.2%+1.50 from 1
Good555407.2%+0.50 from 1
Good to Soft209146.7%00 from 2
Soft594376.2%−0.5—
Heavy244218.6%+1.9—
Standard (AW)258103.9%−2.80 from 20
Distance (all codes)RunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
Under 6f7656.6%−0.1—
6f – 7f586508.5%+1.80 from 3
1m – 1m1f542315.7%−10 from 10
1m2f – 1m4f357174.8%−1.90 from 11
1m5f – 2m275196.9%+0.20 from 1
2m1f – 2m4f156127.7%+1—
2m5f – 3m3925.1%−1.6—

Flat and jumps together (all codes) · since Jan 2008 · as at 21 Oct 2026 · rows under 30 runs muted · win % is the measure, a record not a forecast

Dam

4 siblings in the archive, 1 winner — best of them Mccabe (IRE) (1 win).

The wins came over 1m.

ProduceRunsWinsWin tripsBest grade
Mccabe (IRE)1911m—
Wexford Land (IRE)40——
Ceili House (IRE)30——
Gorta (IRE)10——

Record by conditions

GoingRunsWinsSR£1
Standard (AW) 20 0 0% −20.00
Good to Soft 2 0 0% −2.00
Good to Firm 1 0 0% −1.00
Firm 1 0 0% −1.00
Good 1 0 0% −1.00

ClassRunsWinsSR£1
Class 5 17 0 0% −17.00
Class 4 4 0 0% −4.00
Class 6 2 0 0% −2.00
Class 3 2 0 0% −2.00

CourseRunsWinsSR£1
Chelmsford City (AW) 8 0 0% −8.00
Wolverhampton (AW) 3 0 0% −3.00
Southwell (AW) 3 0 0% −3.00
Lingfield (AW) 3 0 0% −3.00
Kempton (AW) 3 0 0% −3.00
Epsom Downs 1 0 0% −1.00
Chepstow 1 0 0% −1.00
Brighton 1 0 0% −1.00
Newbury 1 0 0% −1.00
Doncaster 1 0 0% −1.00

DistanceRunsWinsSR£1
1m2f – 1m4f 11 0 0% −11.00
1m – 1m1f 10 0 0% −10.00
6f – 7f 3 0 0% −3.00
1m5f – 2m 1 0 0% −1.00

JockeyRunsWinsSR£1
Miss Sarah Bowen 4 0 0% −4.00
David Probert 3 0 0% −3.00
Tyler Heard 3 0 0% −3.00
Mollie Phillips 2 0 0% −2.00
Clifford Lee 2 0 0% −2.00
Jason Watson 2 0 0% −2.00
Shane Kelly 2 0 0% −2.00
Rossa Ryan 1 0 0% −1.00
Liam Wright 1 0 0% −1.00
Darragh Keenan 1 0 0% −1.00
Sean Levey 1 0 0% −1.00
Pat Cosgrave 1 0 0% −1.00
Jamie Spencer 1 0 0% −1.00
Angus Villiers 1 0 0% −1.00

HeadgearRunsWinsSR£1
Tongue tie + blinkers 9 0 0% −9.00
None 6 0 0% −6.00
Blinkers 5 0 0% −5.00
Tongue tie 3 0 0% −3.00
Cheekpieces 1 0 0% −1.00
E/STB 1 0 0% −1.00

SeasonRunsWinsSR£1
2023 11 0 0% −11.00
2022 9 0 0% −9.00
2021 5 0 0% −5.00

Splits include every sample, however small — muted rows are under 3 runs. A one-from-one record is a fact, not a trend: read the Runs column before the strike rate.

Form

DateCourseRace PosBtn Wgt ORSpdKTB Jockey SP
17 Jul 23+12d Wolverhampton (AW) Sky Sports Racing HD Virgin 519 Amateur Jockeys' Handicap Class 5 · 14f · Standard · 5 ran 4/5 14 10-0 6289C54C Miss Sarah Bowen 9/1
05 Jul 23+19d Epsom Downs Betfred Ladies' Derby Handicap (Female Amateur Jockeys) Class 4 · 12f · Good To Soft · 9 ran 9/9 6½ 9-10 6581C46C Miss Sarah Bowen 40/1
16 Jun 23+17d Chepstow Bjllewellyn Racing In Memory Of Gwilym Llewellyn Amateur Jockeys' Handicap Class 5 · 10f · Good To Firm · 5 ran 3/5 2½ 10-2 66-4C71B Miss Sarah Bowen 15/2
30 May 23+47d Brighton BresBet Supports Rising Stars Handicap Class 4 · 7f · Firm · 7 ran 6/7 ½ 8-7 6784A60A Mollie Phillips 7/1
13 Apr 23+7d Chelmsford City (AW) CCR Apprentice Handicap Class 6 · 10f · Standard · 7 ran 3/7 1¾ 10-0 6678A76A Mollie Phillips 7/4F
06 Apr 23+30d Chelmsford City (AW) Ministry Of Sound Disco 2nd September Handicap Class 6 · 10f · Standard · 7 ran 2/7 ½ 9-10 6693A80A Rossa Ryan 3/1
07 Mar 23+8d Southwell (AW) Top Odds Every Day With Betuk Novice Stakes Class 4 · 12f · Standard · 6 ran 3/6 4¾ 9-4 6784A68B Clifford Lee 9/2
27 Feb 23+10d Wolverhampton (AW) Huge Daily Boosts Only At BetUK Amateur Jockeys' Handicap Class 4 · 9.5f · Standard · 10 ran 5/10 nk 9-9 6786A75A Miss Sarah Bowen 16/1
17 Feb 23+25d Southwell (AW) BetUK's Acca Club 5 Free Bet Restricted Novice Stakes Class 3 · 11f · Standard · 12 ran 4/12 9 9-13 68102A68A Clifford Lee 13/2
23 Jan 23+15d Wolverhampton (AW) Spreadex Sports Best Premier League Odds Handicap Class 5 · 8.5f · Standard · 8 ran 4/8 1 9-2 69106A62A Liam Wright 15/2
08 Jan 23+17d Southwell (AW) Spreadex Sports Get 40 In Bonuses Handicap Class 5 · 8f · Standard · 14 ran 8/14 1¼ 9-4 7094B73A Jason Watson 15/2
22 Dec 22+14d Lingfield (AW) Spreadex Sports Bet 10 Get 100 Handicap Class 5 · 8f · Standard · 10 ran 3/10 nse 9-10 70100A81A David Probert 11/2
08 Dec 22+91d Chelmsford City (AW) chelmsfordcityracecourse.com Handicap Class 5 · 10f · Standard · 8 ran 5/8 nk 9-9 7297A75A Darragh Keenan 9/2
08 Sep 22+28d Chelmsford City (AW) Chelmsfordcityracecourse.com Handicap Class 5 · 8f · Standard · 9 ran 4/9 1½ 9-6 73118C77A Jason Watson 9/1
11 Aug 22+3d Lingfield (AW) William Hill Bet Boost Racing League Race Eleven (Handicap) Class 3 · 10f · Standard · 8 ran 6/8 4½ 8-13 7273A55A Sean Levey 4/1
08 Aug 22+60d Kempton (AW) Unibet Support Safe Gambling Handicap Class 5 · 8f · Standard To Slow · 13 ran 2/13 nk 9-11 72111B87A David Probert 8/1
09 Jun 22+6d Newbury RacingTV Free For A Month Handicap Class 5 · 12f · Good To Soft · 11 ran 5/11 2½ 9-6 72102C60C Pat Cosgrave 11/2
03 Jun 22+49d Doncaster WPCC Races Sponsored By Ant Marketing Handicap Class 5 · 10f · Good · 8 ran 2/8 3¾ 9-6 7252A79A Jamie Spencer 11/2
15 Apr 22+15d Chelmsford City (AW) chelmsfordcityracecourse.com Handicap Class 5 · 8f · Standard · 11 ran 2/11 2½ 9-4 7197A84A Tyler Heard 8/1
31 Mar 22+127d Lingfield (AW) Betway Median Auction Maiden Stakes (GBB Race) Class 5 · 10f · Standard · 10 ran 2/10 4 8-3 7182A62A Tyler Heard 7/1
24 Nov 21+18d Kempton (AW) Try Our New Super Boosts At Unibet Nursery Class 5 · 8f · Standard To Slow · 13 ran 2/13 2¾ 9-7 7092B85A David Probert 18/1
06 Nov 21+65d Chelmsford City (AW) Firework Spectacular Here Tomorrow Nursery Class 5 · 8f · Standard · 8 ran 2/8 ½ 8-8 6783A70A Tyler Heard 33/1
02 Sep 21+8d Chelmsford City (AW) tote Placepot Your First Bet EBF Restricted Novice Stakes (GBB Race) Class 5 · 7f · Standard · 14 ran 6/14 ¾ 9-5 —61B70A Shane Kelly 50/1
25 Aug 21+13d Kempton (AW) British Stallion Studs EBF Restricted Novice Stakes (GBB Race) Class 5 · 8f · Standard To Slow · 12 ran 8/12 1 9-3 —72A52A Shane Kelly 100/1
12 Aug 21 Chelmsford City (AW) tote Placepot Your First Bet Maiden Stakes (GBB Race) Class 5 · 6f · Standard · 8 ran 7/8 1¼ 9-0 —66B54A Angus Villiers 50/1

Quick answers

How many races has They Don't Know (IRE) won?
They Don't Know (IRE) has yet to win, from 25 archived starts between 2021 and 2023. Placed 8 times in total (32% of starts).
Who trained They Don't Know (IRE)?
They Don't Know (IRE) was trained by Tony Carroll on the most recent run on record, at Wolverhampton (AW) on 17 July 2023.
Who is They Don't Know (IRE)'s sire?
They Don't Know (IRE) is by Vocalised (USA) out of Fields Of May (IRE), whose sire is Intense Focus.
What is They Don't Know (IRE)'s official rating?
The most recent official rating on record is 62, from the run on 17 July 2023. The highest on record is 73.
What is They Don't Know (IRE)'s sire's record?
Vocalised (USA)'s progeny in our archive have won 6.7% of 2,031 runs since Jan 2008 (172 horses), Flat and jumps together.
Who are They Don't Know (IRE)'s siblings?
Out of Fields Of May (IRE), They Don't Know (IRE) has 4 other produce in our archive, 1 of them a winner. Most wins: Mccabe (IRE) (1). The wins came over 1m. As at Oct 2026.

Record shown from August 2021. Our archive holds racing in Great Britain, Ireland and France from January 2005. Runs in other countries are not in it, and earlier runs are not available from our data provider. In-running comments are available from 2024 onward.