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We'renotreallyhere (GB)

5yo gelding (at last run, Sep 2025) · Last trainer Daniel Steele · Last owner Sam Tingey Charlie Tingey
50 runs · 19 courses · from May 2022
As at 18 Oct 2026 · KTB archive: GB, Ireland & France · 2005–present, updated daily
No run recorded since 29 Sep 2025 — 383 days ago. Our archive can't say whether the horse is still in training.
Last run Sep 2025 · 8th of 9 4 wins · 4 courses Last raced off OR 47
KTB Profile

We'renotreallyhere won four of 50 starts between Apr 2023 and May 2025, all in handicaps. Two wins came at 6f-7f on heavy ground and two at 1m-1m1f on good or standard AW. He won at Brighton in May 2025 off an official rating of 47 and finished eighth of nine there in Sep 2025 off the same mark, 27lb below his highest ever mark of 74. Typically held up, the gelding was aged 5 at his last run in Sep 2025.

Based on 50 archived runs · run-style from 9 commented runs · updated 18 Oct 2026
KTB at a glance Typically held up OR ↓ 27lb off peak
Official rating47↓ 27lb off peak
47 47–74

KTB Speed and Rating

KTB Speed

Best recent Speed 90 the best of the last 3 graded (A or B) runs · Brighton, 8 Aug 2025

How fast the horse ran, as points against the day-corrected standard time for its course and distance: 100 is the median GB Class 4 handicap winner on that code; one point is 0.1% of the standard time. A, B or C is how much the day's card could tell us, not how good the run was. What this means →

Flat 49 figures · best 112C · median 82
GoingRunsBestMedianSince 18 Oct 2025
Standard (AW)19105A82—
Good to Firm11101C74—
Good11112C89—
Soft376C71—
Good to Soft377A71—
Heavy289A76—
DistanceRunsBestMedianSince 18 Oct 2025
6f – 7f24112C75—
1m – 1m1f22105A88.5—
1m2f – 1m4f390B82—

Of 50 runs looked at, 1 has no figure: not enough races on the card to set the day (under 4) (1).

KTB Speed v1 · batch 15 Sep 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 49 figures from 50 runs · as at 3 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast

KTB Rating

Best recent KTB Rating 65A the best of the last 3 rated runs · Lingfield (AW), 8 Sep 2025 Official rating 47 at the last run, 29 Sep 2025

What the horse achieved in each race, in pounds on the official-rating scale, from the weight carried, the lengths beaten and the race's own level solved across the archive — never the market, never the official rating as a starting point. The headline is the best of the horse's last three rated runs on that code. A, B or C on a run is how much known form was in that race. What this means →

Flat 50 figures · best 94A · median 69
GoingRunsBestMedianSince 18 Oct 2025
Standard (AW)2092A66—
Good to Firm1194A65—
Good1177A72—
Soft375A54—
Good to Soft375A70—
Heavy285A84—
DistanceRunsBestMedianSince 18 Oct 2025
6f – 7f2485A71.5—
1m – 1m1f2394A65—
1m2f – 1m4f367A61—

KTB Rating v1 · batch 3 Oct 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 50 figures from 50 runs · as at 4 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast

Both figures are KTB's own, computed from the archive; no vendor rating enters either. Every run's figure is on its form line below with its grade. Grades measure how much the archive could see, never the merit of the run.

Run style from 9 analysed runs

  • Held up 5 (56%) · 0 wins
  • Prominent 3 (33%) · 0 wins
  • Led 1 (11%) · 1 win

Pedigree intelligence

Sire

Progeny in our archive have won 8.1% of 9,319 runs since Jan 2008 (596 horses).

GoingRunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
Firm5323.8%−4.3—
Good to Firm1,5741338.4%+0.30 from 11
Good1,9501507.7%−0.41 from 11
Good to Soft912748.1%00 from 3
Soft1,101948.5%+0.40 from 3
Heavy356267.3%−0.82 from 2
Standard (AW)3,3732808.3%+0.21 from 20
Distance (all codes)RunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
Under 6f2,2792229.7%+1.6—
6f – 7f4,2493568.4%+0.32 from 24
1m – 1m1f1,576996.3%−1.82 from 23
1m2f – 1m4f700446.3%−1.80 from 3
1m5f – 2m368236.3%−1.8—
2m1f – 2m4f11697.8%−0.3—
2m5f – 3m27518.5%+10.4—
Over 3m4125%+16.9—

Flat and jumps together (all codes) · since Jan 2008 · as at 17 Oct 2026 · rows under 30 runs muted · win % is the measure, a record not a forecast

Dam

5 siblings in the archive, 4 winners — best of them Devil's Angel (GB) (9 wins).

The wins came over 5f–1m½f; the highest grade won is Class 4 (Devil's Angel (GB)).

ProduceRunsWinsWin tripsBest grade
Devil's Angel (GB)6595f–7fClass 4
Carlton And Co (GB)4956f–7fClass 5
Rogue Tide (GB)2231m–1m½fClass 5
Two Cop Bop (GB)916fClass 4
Belle Parvenue (IRE)10——

Record by conditions

GoingRunsWinsSR£1
Standard (AW) 20 1 5% −13.50
Good to Firm 11 0 0% −11.00
Good 11 1 9% −3.50
Soft 3 0 0% −3.00
Good to Soft 3 0 0% −3.00
Heavy 2 2 100% +16.50

ClassRunsWinsSR£1
Class 6 32 3 9% −5.00
Class 5 17 1 6% −11.50
Class 4 1 0 0% −1.00

CourseRunsWinsSR£1
Brighton 9 1 11% −1.50
Lingfield (AW) 9 1 11% −2.50
Wolverhampton (AW) 8 0 0% −8.00
Thirsk 3 1 33% +2.50
Catterick 3 1 33% +10.00
Salisbury 2 0 0% −2.00
Chelmsford City (AW) 2 0 0% −2.00
Ripon 2 0 0% −2.00
Ayr 2 0 0% −2.00
Lingfield 1 0 0% −1.00
Yarmouth 1 0 0% −1.00
Epsom Downs 1 0 0% −1.00
Leicester 1 0 0% −1.00
Hamilton 1 0 0% −1.00
Carlisle 1 0 0% −1.00
Doncaster 1 0 0% −1.00
Southwell (AW) 1 0 0% −1.00
Pontefract 1 0 0% −1.00
Chepstow 1 0 0% −1.00

DistanceRunsWinsSR£1
6f – 7f 24 2 8% −5.50
1m – 1m1f 23 2 9% −9.00
1m2f – 1m4f 3 0 0% −3.00

JockeyRunsWinsSR£1
Jason Hart 11 1 9% −5.50
George Rooke 6 1 17% +0.50
Rhys Clutterbuck 4 0 0% −4.00
Dale Swift 3 1 33% +10.00
Paddy Bradley 2 0 0% −2.00
Ashley Lewis 2 0 0% −2.00
Darragh Keenan 2 0 0% −2.00
Finley Marsh 2 0 0% −2.00
Joshua Bryan 2 0 0% −2.00
Harrison Shaw 2 0 0% −2.00
Edward Greatrex 1 0 0% −1.00
Luke Morris 1 0 0% −1.00
Rob Hornby 1 0 0% −1.00
Jason Watson 1 0 0% −1.00
Tyrese Cameron 1 0 0% −1.00
Richard Kingscote 1 1 100% +6.50
Tyler Heard 1 0 0% −1.00
Jack Mitchell 1 0 0% −1.00
Daniel Muscutt 1 0 0% −1.00
Callum Shepherd 1 0 0% −1.00
Kieran O'Neill 1 0 0% −1.00
William Cox 1 0 0% −1.00
Harry Russell 1 0 0% −1.00
Ryan Sexton 1 0 0% −1.00

HeadgearRunsWinsSR£1
None 26 1 4% −18.50
Cheekpieces 16 3 19% +9.00
Blinkers 4 0 0% −4.00
Visor 2 0 0% −2.00
Tongue tie + cheekpieces 1 0 0% −1.00
Tongue tie 1 0 0% −1.00

SeasonRunsWinsSR£1
2025 15 1 7% −7.50
2024 17 1 6% −10.50
2023 9 2 22% +9.50
2022 9 0 0% −9.00

Splits include every sample, however small — muted rows are under 3 runs. A one-from-one record is a fact, not a trend: read the Runs column before the strike rate.

Form

DateCourseRace PosBtn Wgt ORSpdKTB Jockey SP
29 Sep 25+21d Brighton Free Tips Daily On attheraces.com Handicap Class 6 · 7f · Good To Firm · 9 ran Held up early - never a factor - well held throughout - finished 8th 8/9 3½ 8-11 4774C37C Edward Greatrex 11/1
08 Sep 25+7d Lingfield (AW) Sky Sports Racing Virgin 519 Handicap Class 6 · 8f · Standard · 8 ran Up with the pace - pressed for the lead inside the final furlong - found nothing late and fifth 5/8 hd 8-10 4870A65A Luke Morris 18/1
01 Sep 25+24d Brighton Sky Sports Racing Sky 415 Handicap Class 6 · 8f · Good To Firm · 9 ran Took a strong hold early - hit the front for a spell before settling in behind the pace - urged forward with over 2f left - lost ground steadily in the final furlongs to finish ninth 9/9 ½ 9-5 4884A52A Paddy Bradley 17/2
08 Aug 25+2d Brighton Star Sports Classified Stakes Class 6 · 10f · Good · 7 ran Settled handy early - dropped into the pack - began to move up passing the 4-furlong point - shifted course right with 2f left - pressed the leader inside the final furlong - couldn't quicken and edged out of second near the line finishing third 3/7 nk 9-2 4990B60A Ashley Lewis 6/1
06 Aug 25+11d Brighton Star Sports Classified Stakes Class 6 · 8f · Good · 14 ran Settled midpack - shifted right approaching final 2f - couldn't find the needed turn of foot - finished well held in 7th 7/14 ½ 9-2 4992C55A Ashley Lewis 15/2
26 Jul 25+35d Salisbury Symonds Event Catering Handicap Class 6 · 8f · Good To Firm · 10 ran Handy early - driven to keep tempo before losing touch inside final 2f - drifted left and dropped away - finished ninth 9/10 2½ 9-7 5054C49C Rob Hornby 9/1
21 Jun 25+10d Lingfield Weekend Winners On Sky Sports Racing Classified Stakes Class 6 · 7.5f · Good To Firm · 9 ran Settled at the back early - roused into effort with 3f left - made ground into contention 2f out - stayed on to the line without threatening the winner 2/9 2½ 9-9 5094A71A Jason Watson 5/2F
11 Jun 25+21d Yarmouth QuinnBet Best Odds Guaranteed Classified Stakes (Div 1) Class 6 · 8f · Good · 11 ran Sluggish start settling towards the back - improved to sit close to the front around 3f out - drifted left under pressure and faded in the closing stages 5/11 ½ 9-2 5088A58A Tyrese Cameron 11/4F
21 May 25+22d Brighton Download The Star Sports App Handicap Class 6 · 8f · Good · 8 ran Sat close to the pace early - hit the front two out and driven approaching the final furlong - stayed on to prevail in a photo finish 1/8 9-1 47104B77A Richard Kingscote 13/2
29 Apr 25+17d Brighton Call Star Sports On 08000 521 321 Handicap Class 6 · 8f · Good To Firm · 14 ran Slow to be freed at the break - tracked front group - driven for effort into final two furlongs and kept on without gaining ground close home 5/14 1¼ 9-4 47101C65A Tyler Heard 11/1
12 Apr 25+12d Brighton Streamline 202020 Always Leading The Race Handicap (Div 1) Class 6 · 8f · Good To Firm · 7 ran Sat just behind the front-runner - went up in command past the two-furlong point - pressed for effort a furlong out - overtaken and outpaced inside the closing stages to just miss out on the runner-up spot 3/7 nse 9-3 4797A72A Paddy Bradley 9/1
31 Mar 25+7d Wolverhampton (AW) Gamble Responsibly At BetMGM Classified Stakes (Div 1) Class 6 · 8.5f · Standard · 11 ran Up with the front group wide - drifted sharply left on the home bend and lost all momentum - well beaten in 11th 11/11 6½ 9-9 5053A35A Darragh Keenan 17/2
24 Mar 25+16d Lingfield (AW) Weekly 5 Free Bet With BetUK Classified Stakes (Div 1) Class 6 · 10f · Standard · 12 ran Tracked the front group early - urged forward with two furlongs left and still in with a shout approaching the final furlong - held a steady effort to the line finishing fifth beaten 2 lengths 5/12 nk 9-9 5082A67A Jack Mitchell 20/1
08 Mar 25+45d Chelmsford City (AW) Watch Live Racing At bet365 Handicap Class 6 · 8f · Standard · 11 ran Struggled for pace from the start - held towards the back throughout - never a factor - finished well held in 11th 11/11 8 9-8 5170A37A Rhys Clutterbuck 10/1
22 Jan 25+32d Lingfield (AW) BetUK: It's Where The UK Bets Handicap (Div 2) Class 6 · 10f · Standard · 10 ran Settled towards the back of the pack - urged forward approaching the 3f marker - fading and briefly baulked inside the final furlong - finished seventh 7/10 2 9-9 5469A61A Darragh Keenan 10/3
21 Dec 24+7d Wolverhampton (AW) Weekly Free Bets With BetMGM Extra Handicap (Div 1) Class 6 · 8.5f · Standard · 11 ran Hit front after 1f - pressed for advantage before giving way approaching straight then stayed on rivals' heels until pushed along a furlong out - lost momentum in closing stages to finish ninth 9/11 1½ 9-5 5689A59A Rhys Clutterbuck 11/1
14 Dec 24+56d Wolverhampton (AW) Weekly Free Bets With BetMGM Extra Handicap (Div 1) Class 6 · 8.5f · Standard · 11 ran Held up towards the back showing early eagerness - pushed along wide with about a furlong left - unable to close the gap - finished 8th beaten 4.5 lengths 8/11 shd 9-6 5776A69A Rhys Clutterbuck 11/1
19 Oct 24+21d Wolverhampton (AW) Get The Inside Track With raceday-ready.com Handicap Class 6 · 8.5f · Standard · 12 ran Held a spot in the pack towards the outer - pushed into contention approaching the last furlong but unable to match the front-runners' speed - stayed on to finish third narrowly behind 3/12 ½ 9-9 5785A84A Rhys Clutterbuck 9/1
28 Sep 24+5d Chelmsford City (AW) Best Odds On The Betfair Exchange Handicap Class 6 · 8f · Standard · 12 ran Set the early gallop - lost the advantage with 6f left - held a handy position - pushed along approaching final 2f and battled on without further gain in the closing stages 5/12 ½ 9-8 56105A71A Daniel Muscutt 7/2
23 Sep 24+11d Wolverhampton (AW) Get Raceday Ready Handicap (Div 1) Class 6 · 8.5f · Standard · 11 ran drifted right from the off - briefly clear then tracked up front - went back in command around the last turn - overtaken inside the final furlong - unable to threaten late and held for second 2/11 1½ 9-10 5691A79A Callum Shepherd 7/2
12 Sep 24+21d Epsom Downs Rehau 75th Anniversary Handicap Class 5 · 8.5f · Soft · 7 ran Up with the leading duo - nudged into contention from 3f out - struck the top over 2f out before immediately surrendered the advantage - faded and finished 7th beaten 17 lengths 7/7 7 8-5 5754C35C Kieran O'Neill 7/1
22 Aug 24+17d Lingfield (AW) Download The Raceday Ready App Handicap Class 6 · 8f · Standard · 11 ran Sluggish start settling towards the back - boxed in approaching 2f out - made progress a furlong out - moved into 3rd inside the final furlong - kept on to finish 3rd 3/11 1 9-4 5796B80A George Rooke 10/3
05 Aug 24+9d Lingfield (AW) Download The Raceday Ready App Handicap (AWT) (Div 1) Class 6 · 8f · Standard · 8 ran Settled in the pack early - moved smoothly into contention wide over 2f out then got involved in a battle for the lead - kept responding to edge in front close home 1/8 9-5 54—92A George Rooke 11/2
27 Jul 24+4d Salisbury Molson Coors Handicap Class 6 · 8f · Good To Firm · 10 ran 2/10 ½ 9-10 5371B94A George Rooke 5/1
23 Jul 24+15d Lingfield (AW) Download The Raceday Ready App Handicap (Div 2) Class 5 · 8f · Standard · 8 ran 4/8 1½ 8-6 53102A62A George Rooke 18/1
08 Jul 24+28d Wolverhampton (AW) Get The Inside Track With raceday-ready.com Handicap (Div 3) Class 6 · 7f · Standard · 10 ran 2/10 hd 9-8 5193A77A George Rooke 13/2
10 Jun 24+13d Lingfield (AW) AK Bets Watch All UK Racing Handicap (AWT) (Div 1) Class 6 · 8f · Standard · 10 ran 4/10 ½ 8-11 5390C72A Finley Marsh 11/1
28 May 24+19d Brighton Free Digital Racecard At raceday-ready.com Handicap Class 6 · 8f · Good · 12 ran 6/12 1¾ 9-4 5595A70A Finley Marsh 28/1
09 May 24+12d Brighton AK Bets Best Price Premier League Handicap Class 6 · 7f · Good · 14 ran 4/14 1¼ 9-11 57112C76A Joshua Bryan 28/1
27 Apr 24+22d Leicester Carling Handicap Class 6 · 6f · Soft · 14 ran 12/14 2 9-9 6076C54A William Cox 50/1
05 Apr 24+14d Lingfield (AW) Trustee Fire & Security Ltd Handicap Class 4 · 8f · Standard · 8 ran 8/8 3 8-4 6264A48A George Rooke 200/1
22 Mar 24+179d Lingfield (AW) Boost Your Acca At BetMGM Handicap (Div 1) Class 6 · 7f · Standard · 9 ran 9/9 1¾ 9-9 6569A59A Joshua Bryan 40/1
25 Sep 23+33d Hamilton Barbara Ann Letham & Son Jonathan Memorial Handicap Class 5 · 6f · Good To Soft · 7 ran 7/7 5½ 9-6 6777A36A Jason Hart 18/1
23 Aug 23+75d Carlisle Fred Says Don't Fall 80th Birthday Handicap Class 5 · 6f · Good To Firm · 11 ran 11/11 8 9-2 6860B26A Harry Russell 66/1
09 Jun 23+8d Thirsk weatherbysshop.co.uk Handicap Class 5 · 6f · Good To Firm · 12 ran 11/12 1½ 9-8 6971A45A Jason Hart 9/1
01 Jun 23+21d Ripon Ripon Races Ladies Day 22nd June Handicap Class 5 · 6f · Good To Firm · 9 ran 3/9 4¼ 9-9 6976A69A Jason Hart 15/2
11 May 23+12d Thirsk Best Odds Guaranteed Daily At Vickers.Bet Handicap Class 5 · 6f · Heavy · 8 ran 1/8 9-5 6689A85A Jason Hart 9/2
29 Apr 23+17d Doncaster Follow At The Races On Twitter Handicap Class 6 · 6f · Soft · 12 ran 5/12 2½ 9-10 6671A75A Dale Swift 5/1
12 Apr 23+13d Catterick Racing Again 26th April Handicap Class 6 · 6f · Heavy · 9 ran 1/9 9-7 6363A83A Dale Swift 12/1
30 Mar 23+66d Wolverhampton (AW) talkSPORT Download The App Handicap Class 6 · 7f · Standard · 9 ran 6/9 ¾ 9-9 6591A64A Dale Swift 20/1
23 Jan 23+98d Southwell (AW) talkSPORT Powered By Fans Restricted Novice Stakes (GBB Race) Class 5 · 6f · Standard · 7 ran 6/7 ½ 9-5 6850A56A Jason Hart 11/4
17 Oct 22+7d Pontefract Northern Commercials Iveco And Fiat Restricted Novice Stakes (GBB Race) Class 5 · 6f · Good To Soft · 11 ran 5/11 1 9-5 6971A70A Jason Hart 11/8F
10 Oct 22+23d Wolverhampton (AW) Download The At The Races App EBF Restricted Maiden Stakes (GBB Race) Class 5 · 7f · Standard · 10 ran 2/10 1¼ 9-7 6956A76A Harrison Shaw 6/1
17 Sep 22+19d Catterick Raydale Preserves EBF Restricted Maiden Stakes (GBB Race) Class 5 · 6f · Good To Soft · 8 ran 3/8 1½ 9-7 6965A75A Harrison Shaw 9/4
29 Aug 22+23d Chepstow IRE Incentive, It Pays To Buy Irish Restricted Novice Stakes (GBB Race) Class 5 · 7f · Good · 8 ran 3/8 2¾ 9-2 7189B72A Ryan Sexton 9/2
06 Aug 22+17d Ayr EBF Restricted Maiden Stakes (GBB Race) Class 5 · 6f · Good · 8 ran 4/8 1¼ 9-7 7386A76A Jason Hart 9/2
20 Jul 22+9d Catterick British Stallion Studs EBF Restricted Novice Stakes (GBB Race) Class 5 · 6f · Good To Firm · 11 ran 2/11 1¾ 9-7 7468A73A Jason Hart 10/3F
11 Jul 22+12d Ayr Hospitality At Scottish Sun Ladies Night Restricted Novice Stakes (GBB Race) Class 5 · 6f · Good · 15 ran 6/15 1½ 9-5 —88C73A Jason Hart 8/1
29 Jun 22+35d Thirsk British Stallion Studs EBF Restricted Novice Stakes (GBB Race) (Div 2) Class 5 · 6f · Good · 15 ran 2/15 ½ 9-5 —82C75A Jason Hart 16/1
25 May 22 Ripon Yorkshires Garden Racecourse Racing Again Tomorrow Restricted Maiden Stakes (GBB Race) Class 5 · 6f · Good · 8 ran 7/8 5 9-7 —64A38A Jason Hart 12/1

Quick answers

How many races has We'renotreallyhere (GB) won?
We'renotreallyhere (GB) won 4 of 50 archived starts between 2022 and 2025, a strike rate of 8%. Placed 16 times in total (32% of starts).
Who trained We'renotreallyhere (GB)?
We'renotreallyhere (GB) was trained by Daniel Steele on the most recent run on record, at Brighton on 29 September 2025.
Who is We'renotreallyhere (GB)'s sire?
We'renotreallyhere (GB) is by Camacho (GB) out of Rocking The Boat (IRE), whose sire is Zebedee.
What going does We'renotreallyhere (GB) prefer?
We'renotreallyhere (GB) has the best record on good going: 1 win from 11 starts (9.1%). Only going bands with at least three archived starts are read, so this is a direction rather than a settled preference.
What is We'renotreallyhere (GB)'s official rating?
The most recent official rating on record is 47, from the run on 29 September 2025. The highest on record is 74.
What is We'renotreallyhere (GB)'s sire's record?
Camacho (GB)'s progeny in our archive have won 8.1% of 9,319 runs since Jan 2008 (596 horses), Flat and jumps together.
Who are We'renotreallyhere (GB)'s siblings?
Out of Rocking The Boat (IRE), We'renotreallyhere (GB) has 5 other produce in our archive, 4 of them winners. Most wins: Devil's Angel (GB) (9). Highest grade won: Class 4 (Devil's Angel (GB)). The wins came over 5f–1m½f. As at Oct 2026.

Record shown from May 2022. Our archive holds racing in Great Britain, Ireland and France from January 2005. Runs in other countries are not in it, and earlier runs are not available from our data provider. In-running comments are available from 2024 onward.